New Covenant Made Simple

[CrossLightMin]

Hey

Lets talk about the New Covenant...

I open my Bible, I see a promise written... God will provide for my every need..
I have a need...
I have obeyed everything I know the Lord has asked of me...

I say.. I am under the Covenant and blessings of the Lord because He said if I obeyed then He would take care of all my needs...

What is the Abrahamic Covenant? What blessings there given to him are ours also? What can I expect to see applied in my everyday life?


Just thoughts..


Talk to me.. I want to teach the Covenant at a Bible Study


His servant
stacie

[cameron222]

Depends on what your "needs" are.

You may need a car, but do you need a new Mercedes? Not that there is anything wrong with a new Mercedes as long as you do not worship it, but seriously, what are your needs? Some needs are left up to us. We can get those needs fulfilled through working, saving, investing, etc. We should always seek God's wisdom in these areas I might add.

But then comes peace, joy, love, kindness, mercy, etc. Those needs are supplied by God if we will but accept and apply them.

Our greatest need, salvation and reconcilation to God, has already been provided by Jesus Christ and His death on the cross.
What else do we really need beyond that?

Many times our "greeds" are what we call our "needs" and they draw us into the world rather than into service for the one who saved us.

The best way to get is to give!!

[BHiles]

I believe that in a Spirit-Filled life that it is not the need only that is provided for but it is the "need" that is qualified and given to the believer to have. God promised to Supply the Need.
Philippians 4:19 But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

"riches in Glory by Christ Jesus" means "the wealth shown by Christ Jesus"

Well when we look at the wealth shown by Christ Jesus the wealth that Jesus showed was the wealth in the power and Spirit of God. Jesus did not walk around and give people money or put shoes on their feet. These were not the wealth that He showed. The wealth was in the power of God to fill the needs of the people spiritually. The physical healings were only to open the eyes of the Jews. The need He was filling was far greater. The need was for reconcilliation to the Father. The need was for Christ in their life. Their need was in the hope of a Saviour. They did not understand their need. Neither do we.

I believe He will supply what the need is. He will show us what we are to need.

Let me explain. I really do not know my true needs. There is always provision for things as a child of God but these are really not the true needs in my life. I have found the true needs quantified by God only when I have been broken and spilled out to the point where I have nothing else to give others to fulfill their spiritual and physical needs. There have been nights, I have been exhausted after being used by the Holy Spirit to fulfill something for someone else either physically, emotionally or spiritually and have found myself completely given out, to the point I am empty. I am broken. I have nothing more for them or myself. It is at that time I realize that God has given me "what my need is" and I then beg for my need that He has given me to be fulfilled so that I might have something more to give.

To say to God I have need of this thing is rudementry in the Christian Life. Yes we are to make all request known to God but He wants us to understand that what we really think of need is not our real need. Things are not our need. Money is not our need. The power of God is our need. Upon our realizing this and seeking the kingdom our stresses of need would be done away with and we would beg God for our real need.

This is the failure of the Name it Claim it Christianity. They have watered down the Riches of God to the poverty of raiment, silver and gold. How demeaning to the Supreme Being who can speak these things into existence. The true wealth that God thought was of worth, was a relationship with His creation. This was worthy of much more than anything He created. It was worth His very blood.

[CrossLightMin]

Hey

You said:

To say to God I have need of this thing is rudementry in the Christian Life. Yes we are to make all request known to God but He wants us to understand that what we really think of need is not our real need. Things are not our need. Money is not our need. The power of God is our need. Upon our realizing this and seeking the kingdom our stresses of need would be done away with and we would beg God for our real need.

I say:

With all my heart I agree.. it is the power of God we need. Amen and amen.
And it is my understanding that our Lord is not going to put His power on immature "priests"... therefore, He molds our character for as much as we yield to Him.


You said:

This is the failure of the Name it Claim it Christianity. They have watered down the Riches of God to the poverty of raiment, silver and gold. How demeaning to the Supreme Being who can speak these things into existence. The true wealth that God thought was of worth, was a relationship with His creation. This was worthy of much more than anything He created. It was worth His very blood.


I say:

I don't know that much about the Name it claim it bunch.. I have only met one or two who were bold enough to claim something, but they were not as interested in the Kingdom of God as they acted.. not in their heart...
I know we are to seek the Kingdom of God first and He will add what we need as we need it... and He gets to determine the need... and that is fine with us if we are dead to self and alive unto Him..


You said:

There have been nights, I have been exhausted after being used by the Holy Spirit to fulfill something for someone else either physically, emotionally or spiritually and have found myself completely given out, to the point I am empty. I am broken. I have nothing more for them or myself.

I say:

Thank you for being a faithful servant.. and for allowing Him to pour you out as a drink offereing.. as He did with Paul. May our Lord fill you with His joy, and may the fruit of His labor through you bear much fruit.

I am trying to understand the covenant..
In Deut 28, all these promises are promised.
and in the New Covenant.. which is even better than the old then there are even more promises.. promises today, in our lives, as the old covenant affected their daily lives, so do these promises affect our daily lives now..

Example..

I have a situation at work where there is a unspoken warfare between co-workers..
The Word promises that we are more than conquers.. therefore I lift the matter to the Lord, obey what He leads me to do, and then go on..
The whole situation gets resolved without human effort .. as a matter of fact.. I do believe the Lord loves working behind the scenes..

My biggest question is trying to understand the law and its application now.. without opening a huge can of debates .. just a simple step by step understanding.. so i can teach it to others.


His servant
stacie

[MailmanGuy]

My biggest question is trying to understand the law and its application now...

The Old Testament contains the history, the theology, the religion, the covenants and the Law given to God’s chosen nation, Israel.

The New Testament contains the fulfillment of some Old Testament prophecy, new prophecy concerning the future, and the arrival of the Messiah promised to God’s chosen nation, Israel.

Oh yes, and there is also the introduction of Gentiles into God’s covenant relationship with God’s chosen nation, Israel.

Is the Law of Moses still in effect and is it still the standard for the Church?

The book of Galatians argues adamantly, as do the books of Romans, Colossians and Hebrews, that the Law is no longer in force for the New Testament Church. Faith has come; the law has been taken out of the way.

Remember, to do one part of the Law is to be a debtor to perform the whole Law, utterly and completely. The Law - which could only condemn, but never save - was taken out of the way when Christ died and rose again.

Gentiles were never under the Law. Only Israel was obligated to Moses. Paul cried to the people who were under the law and begged them to understand their freedom. They were free from its ordinances, through the infilling of the Spirit, to love God in Spirit and truth, something the Law could never attain.

To be in Christ is to be “dead to the law.”The contrast between the Law and grace is that the Law says, ‘Do it and live. Fail to keep it perfectly, constantly, completely, and you die.’

Christ’s message is not “Do it and live.”
His message is, “Live. I have done it.”

Big difference!

[Flat Dog]

HI
What new covenant are you speaking off? Blood?

[BHiles]

Originally posted by MailmanGuy
The Old Testament contains the history, the theology, the religion, the covenants and the Law given to God’s chosen nation, Israel.

The New Testament contains the fulfillment of some Old Testament prophecy, new prophecy concerning the future, and the arrival of the Messiah promised to God’s chosen nation, Israel.

Oh yes, and there is also the introduction of Gentiles into God’s covenant relationship with God’s chosen nation, Israel.

Is the Law of Moses still in effect and is it still the standard for the Church?

The book of Galatians argues adamantly, as do the books of Romans, Colossians and Hebrews, that the Law is no longer in force for the New Testament Church. Faith has come; the law has been taken out of the way.

Remember, to do one part of the Law is to be a debtor to perform the whole Law, utterly and completely. The Law - which could only condemn, but never save - was taken out of the way when Christ died and rose again.

Gentiles were never under the Law. Only Israel was obligated to Moses. Paul cried to the people who were under the law and begged them to understand their freedom. They were free from its ordinances, through the infilling of the Spirit, to love God in Spirit and truth, something the Law could never attain.

To be in Christ is to be “dead to the law.”The contrast between the Law and grace is that the Law says, ‘Do it and live. Fail to keep it perfectly, constantly, completely, and you die.’

Christ’s message is not “Do it and live.”
His message is, “Live. I have done it.”

Big difference!


I sure hope nobody took this post as fact. You completely wiped out 2/3 of the Bible and a good portion of the other third is completely misrepresented.

I have been wating for a little friend of mine to come in here and straighten this post out for ya. You went and did it now!

[CrossLightMin]

:wave

Who is your little friend?

And yes, it seems that christianity is divided about "yes" to the Old Testament.. or "no" to it.

I am getting the impression that the Old is not done away with, as I was taught, but that the New is actually.. "refurbished"


Still seeking on this issue....





His servant
stacie

[Flat Dog]

Hi
Yea, the new testament only confirms what was said in the old. And both old and new speak of those people who wish to do away with the 10 commandments.

Whats that old saying?

Some of the papal can fool us some of the time
But all the papal cant fool us all the time

[Flat Dog]

Hi Again
There are many who have come in the name of Christ saying the covenant of Hebrews 8 has arrived and therefore we as believers need not keep the law of God because it is written in our hearts. That alone seems rather strange to me because if God did already write it in our hearts to keep HIS law we would obviously be keeping HIS law.Incuding the 4th. Nevertheless scripture points out that this covenant has not yet arrived.

HEBREWS 8 [6] But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.[7] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should
no place have been sought for the second.[8] For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:[9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.[10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their
mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:[11] And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.[12] For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.[13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

In Hebrews 8, the scripture says all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. You'll need not say to your neighbor or your brother “Know the Lord” because everyone at that time will “Know the Lord”. And before someone says this only pertains to the children of Israel remember who Jesus called our nieghbors. Yes ,everyone, all people are our nieghbors.Ive heard many say this covenanant is already here. How could that possibly be? You do not have to look to far to know that everyone does not know the Lord.

As you read verse 13 of Hebrews 8 you can plainly see the new covenant has not yet arrived. This scripture was written AFTER Christ had risen and it clearly says the old covenant is getting old and is ready to vanish. Nowhere does this scripture say that the old covenant has vanished. We are still under the 10 commandments. All 10. The perfect law of liberty.

[Flat Dog]

PS
Im getting old and getting ready to vanish but im still hangin in there.

[antsinmypants]

I have spent the last couple of days reading this and contemplating how to respond. This post has sincerely bothered me in my spirit since I have first read it.


Gentiles were never under the Law. Only Israel was obligated to Moses.

First off, The Torah isn't Moshe's doing. He was merely the man who put the stylus to the scroll with ink.

YHVH G-d was the one who gave Moshe Torah. It never was Moshe's Torah, but always and forever will it be YHVH's Torah.


Secondly you are incorrect- Torah wasn't and has never been only for Yisrael, or G-d would have said so. The problem is though, that in the last thousand or so years, many of Yisrael have tried to make Torah exclusively for them ... which is wrong.

(Ger = Stranger; Zoor = foreigner)

If the Ger or Zoor weren't to observe Torah, why then are there not only provisions for them to observe Torah-- and the rest of the Tanakh... and why in heaven's name, were the Pharisees such a prostelytizing bunch?

Why then, were the Ger and Zoor that were then conisdered Yisrael, in the Synogogues-- and why did G-d have a speacial area just for the Ger and Zoor in the Temple?!

Why then, did Y'shua make such a stink in the temple where many weren't allowing the Ger and Zoor to even enter their area of the Temple to hear the word of G-d preached and taught?


Why then, did the Jeruselem Council tell them to observe Torah and learn from Moshe's teaching every Sabbath-- and not do things that would make them unacceptable to be with Hebrews (no fornication, abstain from meats sacrificed to idols and from blood and things strangled)?

Why then, is it said that Y'shua said "I came not to abolish, but to fufill the Torah"?
Why is it, that the same word that is "Fufill" there-- is the same word used for when the Holy Spirit came down on Shavout (Pentecost) [which is another Feast of YHVH] --where not only PROSTELYTES -- but Hebrews came to Jeruselem, and were just outside the Upper room where the disciples were meeting outside of the court of the Ger??

Why were the Ger even there worshipping G-d, if G-d didn't mean Torah for everyone who found him?

Why then does G-d say that his Torah stands forever??

Why then- does Paul say.. "is Torah bad? G-d forbid it!"


In Torah there are several provisions for those who want to join and follow G-d.

There are even examples, and those in Y'shua's lineage who were just that-- Ger-- who became Yisraeli and followed Torah.


These are very good questions, whose answers are not only found in Torah, but in the Writings and in the Prophets, and amazingly enough in the Brit Chadasha as well. :):

[BHiles]

Ok here's a translation for the Goyim

Moshe = Moses
G-d = God
Yiserael = Israel

YHVH = Yaweh = Another name of God

Torah = Pentitude or the first five books of the Bible
Y'shua = Jesus

Brit Chadasha = New Testament


Now you have met my little friend who is full of knowledge of how the testaments are intertwined.:):

[MailmanGuy]

Hey, I never said the Old Tesament was done away with.:freaked

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

In Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus declared that the whole of Scripture was written in anticipation of His arrival. He did not come to destroy those books or undermine the ancient religion. Rather, He was the substance that they all pointed to. And, far from being an enemy of the Law of Moses, He said that the Law would remain unchanged and intact until it was fulfilled.

And then He fulfilled it.

Other portions of Scripture concerning Christ and His kingdom have yet to be fulfilled. But, that does not negate them. They stand just as sure –– every jot and tittle –– as the minutiae of His first coming.

Just as He fulfilled them to the detail, He will fulfill every word concerning Himself with equal accuracy and authority.

Col 2:13 You (Gentiles) were dead, because you were sinful and were not God's people. But God let Christ make you alive, when he forgave all our sins.
Col 2:14 God wiped out the charges that were against us for disobeying the Law of Moses. He took them away and nailed them to the cross.

The New Testament tells us that attempting to seek justification before God by keeping any part of the law automatically makes us responsible to keep the entire law (Gal. 5:3, 3:10, James 2:10). You cannot pick and choose. You will either stand before God and be judged by the law, or you will be established in the righteousness that comes by faith (Rom. 3:22, Gal. 5:5). But, you cannot mix and match.

In other words, if you want God to accept you on the basis of your actions – like tithing, Sabbath-keeping, etc. – then you had also better be killing animals every time you sin. That’s the law. And, it’s an all-or-nothing proposition.

Guy :):

[Flat Dog]

Hi Guy

JER.31 [31] BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:[33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

"Behold the days come" that I will make a new covenant. When does scripture say this covenant will be established? Verse33 says after those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts.
Well if we look at other scriptures that speak of these days we will find many things that must happen before Gods laws will be written in the hearts of Gods people.

JER.16 [14] Therefore, BEHOLD, THE DAYS COME, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be said, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;[15] But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.[16] Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.

"Behold the days come" verse 15 ... Yea, theres the gathering of Gods people to the land once given to the fathers and the land promised to Gods people in the end times(1000 yr period of rest). That obviously has not happened yet. After God gathers HIS people and brings them to this land everyone there will know the lord because HIS law will be written in their hearts. Just went to 1COR.15, the so called rapture scripture. BEHOLD! I just kinda knew i would find that word there. Aint the WORD of God great! The gathering of Gods people to the 1000 yr period of rest.

EZEK.7 [5] Thus saith the Lord GOD; An evil, an only evil, behold, is come.[6] An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it is come.[7] The morning is come unto thee, O thou that dwellest in the land: the time is come, the day of trouble is near, and not the sounding again of the mountains.[8] Now will I shortly pour out my fury upon thee, and accomplish mine anger upon thee: and I will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense thee for all thine abominations.[9] And mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: I will recompense thee according to thy ways and thine abominations that are in the midst of thee; and ye shall know that I am the LORD that smiteth.[10] BEHOLD THE DAY, behold, it is come: the morning is gone forth; the rod hath blossomed, pride hath budded.

"Behold the day, behold, it is come"! This day being spoken of is "the DAY OF THE LORD", and when this day comes and goes all who is left, everyone his neighbor will KNOW THE LORD? Just as the WORD says in Hebrews 8 verse 11.

ZECH.14 [1] BEHOLD, THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
[2] For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle;

Well, where will the nations gather to to fight against Jerusalem. They be headin for Armageddon.

REV.16 [15] BEHOLD, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.[16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.[17] And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, IT IS DONE

THEN ALL WHO IS LEFT shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. JUST AS THE WORD SAYS IN HEBREWS 8.

[Flat Dog]

This last bit of scripture gives the whole timeline

I WILL BE THEIR GOD AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE

JER.31
[31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
[32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land
of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
[33] But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

WHEN WILL THIS HAPPEN? HE WILL BE THEIR GOD AND THEY SHALL BE HIS PEOPLE- its all right there in Ezek. Guy

EZEK.37
[9] Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
[10] So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

The dead in Christ rise 1st

[21] And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

Then we are gathered (caught up in the twinkling of an eye) and brought to the land promised. Sorry, no rapture

[22] And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

ONE NATION AND ONE KING, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

[23] Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

Then they shall be my people and i shall be their GOD. THERES WHEN IT HAPPENS

[24] And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

Of course they will do as commanded, Gods law will be written in our heart

[25] And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
[26] Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
[27] My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

HEBREWS 8 [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

[CrossLightMin]

:wave

Do you remember when Paul made a vow and cut off his hair before he sailed for Syria? What was the vow.. and why, if he was free from the Law, did he still follow it?

And do you remember when he entered into Jerusalem there were those who had heard that Paul taught not to circumcise their children.. so Paul was encouraged to make a vow and pay for the vows of others for purification rights so that everyone would know Paul was living in obedience to the law? He did so. Why?

So, we can see that Paul followed the law.. yet
he walked and talked and entered into the houses of the gentiles.. (against the law)...

What is the Lord trying to show us?


His servant
stacie

[antsinmypants]

Originally posted by CrossLightMin
So, we can see that Paul followed the law.. yet
he walked and talked and entered into the houses of the gentiles.. (against the law)...

What is the Lord trying to show us?

We are to Follow G-d's commands, not men's.

Men (Rabbis) have written the Oral Torah & The Talmud. Both state that one shouldn't enter a house or trade with someone who is not of Yisrael.. and if you do, you must wash your hands and Mikvah...

This isn't found in Torah.

[CrossLightMin]

:wave

:doh

Why didn't I know that? :yell

there is much to be learned







thank you

His servant,
stacie

[antsinmypants]

Mailman Guy, I think you're still missing it:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the Torah, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.


He said that until EVERYTHING that is in Torah and in the Prophets has been fufilled-- it won't have the smallest letter, or the smallest mark taken away from it.

Y'shua hasn't fufilled all of the prophesy yet. Revelation, which is laid out in all of the prophets-- hasn't been fufilled yet.

G-d said His Torah was everlasting, and to be obeyed.

Saying that it is "done away with" or "you don't have to obey it" is saying that "oh the 10 commandments have no weight"..

Is not only scary, but against the vein of the Gospels and the apostolic writings!

Paul never said that, and especially his actions didn't say that.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

It is also said :

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.


The Handwriting of ordinances against us, is not Torah. Torah is a guideline how to live a healthy and pleasing life unto G-d. The handwriting of ordinances against us-- is our sins which were recorded in heaven!

He says do not let a man tell you what you're eating is wrong, or what you're drinking is wrong, or to stop celebrating YHVH's feasts, or the Rosh Chodesh (new moon is a sabbath), or the Sabbath day-- because it is a shadow of things that are yet to come.. and the body of Messiah is the one doing it.


We are told in Hebrews that we are no longer to make a sacrifice of animal and fire (And one is not able to according to the Torah that was written of Moshe-- without a temple), or of grain-- because Messiah has fufilled that part for us. He is our justification, he is what has forgiven our sins and blotted them out forever. But, it never says "hey, stop doing those things!!"... never.

Our prayers and our supplications, and the things we do for G-d, with the right heart; are sweet smelling sacrifices to Him.

Hbr 7:24 But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Hbr 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Hbr 7:26 For such an high priest became us, [who is] holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Hbr 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.



Hbr 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Hbr 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hbr 9:28 So Christ was [i]once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


Hbr 10:1 For the Torah having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hbr 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hbr 10:3 But in those [sacrifices there is] a remembrance again [made] of sins every year.
Hbr 10:4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hbr 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Hbr 10:6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Hbr 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the scroll it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Hbr 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and [offering] for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure [therein]; which are offered by the Torah;
Hbr 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He removing the first, that he may set up the second.
Hbr 10:10 In which, [by the] commands we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever those that are sanctified.
Hbr 10:15 [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Hbr 10:16 [b] This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Hbr 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.



Hbr 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Hbr 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him outside the camp, bearing his reproach.
Hbr 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
Hbr 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of [our] lips giving thanks to his name.
Hbr 13:16 But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
Hbr 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.
Hbr 13:18 Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.
Hbr 13:19 But I beseech [you] the rather to do this, that I may be restored to you the sooner.
Hbr 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Hbr 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom [be] glory for ever and ever. Amen.



Y'shua said if we teach people to disobey His commandments, which are the same as those in Torah, that we will be liable to Him.

We are told that in Loving our Neighbor as ourselves, we are able to -- and do fufill what is written in Torah.

If you say Torah is not applicable or for today; you're telling people "hey it's ok to have adultery".. "oh.. murder schmurder! go ahead if it feels good!" ... "cannibalism.. ok!"..

You're also taking away what was called Scripture in the Apostolic writings.. what Paul said to Timothy and Titus was good for "all doctrine and reproof".. You're also removing the wisdom of Solomon... and all of the prophesies.

Because without the foundational block of scripture..

None of it works.

:wave

[MailmanGuy]

FlatDog said...
WHEN WILL THIS HAPPEN? HE WILL BE THEIR GOD AND THEY SHALL BE HIS PEOPLE- its all right there in Ezek. Guy

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

FlatDog, Has Israel regathered yet? No

Who is the “House of Israel? 10 Tribes of the North(Lost Tribes)

Who is the “House of Judea? 2 Tribes of the South (Jews)

Again, have they regathered yet? No. This happens during the Great Tribulation, when 12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes(144,000)are gathered. During the millennium, when Christ sits on the throne of Israel as King of Kings, that’s when we will be under the future covenant to come, spoken about in Jer 31:31.

Ants said...
Y'shua hasn't fufilled all of the prophesy yet. Revelation, which is laid out in all of the prophets-- hasn't been fufilled yet.

Correct. Just as I said earlier in my post. Other portions of Scripture concerning Christ and His kingdom have yet to be fulfilled. But, that does not negate them.
No conflict here.

Ants said...
Saying that it is "done away with" or "you don't have to obey it" is saying that "oh the 10 commandments have no weight"..

I never said that...you’re putting words in my mouth. I said The New Testament contains the fulfillment of some Old Testament prophecy...-and-...the Law is no longer in force for the New Testament Church. Faith has come; the law has been taken out of the way.

When the Holy Spirit arrives inside you...you will not only be convicted for your sins, but you will have a desire to repent and obey God. Obey the New Commandments...

(Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. Mar 12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these)...

and the Ten previous ones will fall into place automatically , because it will be written into your heart.

Ants said...
If you say Torah is not applicable or for today; you're telling people "hey it's ok to have adultery".. "oh.. murder schmurder! go ahead if it feels good!" ... "cannibalism.. ok!"..

Why would a born again person with the Holy Spirit indwelling in them desire to do the things you mentioned?

Guy:wave

[Flat Dog]

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
FlatDog, Has Israel regathered yet? No
Who is the “House of Israel? 10 Tribes of the North(Lost Tribes)
Who is the “House of Judea? 2 Tribes of the South (Jews)
Again, have they regathered yet? No. This happens during the Great Tribulation, when 12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes(144,000)are gathered.

Thats my point. The covenanant of JER.31 and HEBREWS 8 has not yet arrived. Im glad you concur.

[CrossLightMin]

:wave
Hey,

Guy, you wrote:

Why would a born again person with the Holy Spirit indwelling in them desire to do the things you mentioned?


Unquote...

I have to agree with you here, very adamently (sp???)

We have the Holy Spirit within us. He is the one who wrote the commandments. He is the one who wrote the visions. He is the one who wrote the New Testament. So, at the very least, we are able to know what kind of thoughts He has about things. That is a good place to start our walk and growth with the Lord. He is able to teach us what we need to do, and able to lead us where He wants.

The Word of God is like a letter, even if we can not understand it all, or know how things relate, we sure can tell alot about the Author.. and with This Author, we should be able to get the first things clearly.. the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

And, then as Paul said, God is able to make these things quite clear to us.


Shalom
stacie

[MailmanGuy]

Originally posted by CrossLightMin
:wave
Hey,

Guy, you wrote:

Why would a born again person with the Holy Spirit indwelling in them desire to do the things you mentioned?


Unquote...

I have to agree with you here, very adamently (sp???)

We have the Holy Spirit within us. He is the one who wrote the commandments. He is the one who wrote the visions. He is the one who wrote the New Testament. So, at the very least, we are able to know what kind of thoughts He has about things. That is a good place to start our walk and growth with the Lord. He is able to teach us what we need to do, and able to lead us where He wants.

The Word of God is like a letter, even if we can not understand it all, or know how things relate, we sure can tell alot about the Author.. and with This Author, we should be able to get the first things clearly.. the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

And, then as Paul said, God is able to make these things quite clear to us.


Shalom
stacie

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