so.... what preachers are "anointed" and which aren't??

[RJs here]

hmm....

was just reading another thread ~ someone vehemently defending a wof preacher..... and the fact that she thinks this particular person is *anointed by God*......


So..... I would like to know ~ just WHICH preachers are considered ANOINTED BY GOD??


and which AREN'T??


:confused


not being facetious.....


this is something I need to look into the Word & study on....


but in the mean time, would appreciate your comments here....

[Bondservant]

As Hank puts it...you need to become so familiar with the Truth, that you can recognize a counterfeit. As believers we are are responsible for studying God's Word and not being spoonfed by those who are decievers. That's why the Bereans were held in high esteem by Paul, he was "annoited" teacjing the Truth, yet they did not simply take his word for it, they searched the scriptures against what he said, to see if it lined up. With Paul it did :D:Those who are sitting under "false" teaching will have no excuse, i.e.." i was decieved.... I liked being spoonfed.." because we will all be held accountable for our OWN study of God's Word and our own walk with Him.

[RJs here]

So, in other words, BondServant -- a preacher is not necessarily anointed ~ just because he/she REFERS to himself as such, eh??


;):

[Bondservant]

well whata you think ? I guess I could say I'm a taco, but if i act like a chesseburger that ought to tell you something and you should grab the ketsup rather then the hot sauce.

[Teresa]

Well put Bondservant :thumb

[RJs here]

oooh ~ miss sacramento is in a *spunky mood* today!! :lol


;):


Now, you got me all hungry & everything as well!! :frog


Seriously though, I'm going to look into this more as I have a chance.


{got to go have a snack first though!! ;):

[KrispyKritter]

I think a better question is... what the annointing isnt.

[glorymj]

Originally posted by Bondservant
well whata you think ? I guess I could say I'm a taco, but if i act like a chesseburger that ought to tell you something and you should grab the ketsup rather then the hot sauce. :laugh

[Bondservant]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RJs here
[B
Now, you got me all hungry & everything as well!! :frog"
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Well I must admit I was sitting here on my lunch break writing this...and I was lusting in my heart for a taco....my peanut butter sandwich just left me "empty in inside"
:D:

[glorymj]

You're not helping my juice fast any!!!!




:freaked




:laugh

[almondeyes73]

tell me what wof stands for please

[painkiller]

Originally posted by Bondservant
well whata you think ? I guess I could say I'm a taco, but if i act like a chesseburger that ought to tell you something and you should grab the ketsup rather then the hot sauce.

I allways though you were a lttle cheesier than others ;): :twitch :B: :D:

[Bondservant]

Originally posted by almondeyes73
tell me what wof stands for please ~~~~
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take your pick, but both carry the same meaning:
Word of Faith=
Works of the Flesh

[mykemyk]

I attend a church a "WOF" church.
Last year, we gave 29% of our total income to missions.

We go into the projects each thanksgiving...this year we will provide a thousand turkey dinners to those who will have no thanksgiving dinner.

At Christmas, we will do the same with presents for children who would otherwise...have nothing under the tree.

My pastor was associated with Integrity...and was well known as a worship leader...who gave it all up to come start a work from "scratch".

In the three years I have been attending, I have yet to see a service that does not end with people coming to the altar to receive Christ.

I am not impressed with Meyers, Copeland, Dollar, Crouch, and many others who distort what God has to say in His Word.

But, I do think there are those who, will never be on tv, fleecing the flock and filling their coffers...but, are annointed...preaching an uncompromising message...and reaching the lost.

There are those who "get" to get....those who "get" to have...and those who "get" to GIVE!

I may be in a minority...my pastor may be a real exception to the rule...if so, I thank God for His mercy and His blessings.

[blitzkreig]

some are anointed and some are just all wet :nod

[lookinupval]

mykemyk, praise the Lord for your church!

why is your church classified as WoF? It sure doesn't sound like one.

[mykemyk]

I guess like anything else...things can be taken to "extremes" which I think is what has happened to a lot of ministries.

Whenever anyone begins to say...look at what I have done, instead of what God is doing, they are in danger of lapsing into what most of us see in the WOF crowd.

I have watched my pastor stand and weep over what God is doing at our church. I have heard him say, at times, if God doesn't "show up" we might as well close the doors!

Most of the people who attend our church have no idea of where he has been and how God has used him. He doesn't really talk about it...I found out about his ministry with Integrity Music while searching the internet...found a couple of songs he had written.

For the past 15 yrs. he has been leading a group of christians that go to Madi Gra every year. They "hit the streets" in the midst of the "devil's chaos" to tell all who will listen what God can do for them.

I have seen so much abuse of christians, over the years, that I had, pretty much, made up my mind that I was done with church. So much of what we see today is not unlike the "snake oil" salesman of the past. God used this church to allow me to see that all are not as I had assumed they were.

For every Falwell that is "hawking" Jesus First Pins...
For every Roberts that is promoting "Seed Faith"...
For every Tilton that is looking for a "one-time financial pledge"...
For every Crouch that is "daring anyone to challenge their annointing"...

There is a man who has no interest of making the cover of "Charisma" or "Christianity Today"....

Who really believes that God has placed him in his city for "Such a time as this"...

Who realizes that without God, he is nothing...

Who believes that one day, he will stand before God and give an account for every idle word he has uttered...

Who really believes that his primary purpose in life is to make "God Smile!"

Who take Jude seriously as to whether or not we should earnestly contend for the faith...

Thank God...in these last days...there are still some who are willing to "stand in the gap"...building "their part of the wall".

[RJs here]

mykemyk ~ that was just excellent!! :thumb


Thank you for sharing that! ~ every word of it!! :thumb


Yes, in this LATE hour, it certainly *IS* refreshing to hear that there are SOME good, sincere, genuine, Word-preaching preachers and churches still out there!!


Amen!!

[Ynott]

When I hear someone self-proclaim that they are "annointed" I tend to do a triple take.

Paul proclaimed himself an apostle and his whole life turned around. His fruit was obvious. He was beaten, thrown into prison, put on trial. He worked tirelessly with the early churches. He maintained his own "jobs" as a tentmaker and didn't take funds from parishioners. He was an incredible encourager. He contended for the faith.

When I look at self-proclaimed "annointed ones" today, I have to measure them against the fruit of Paul. And quite frankly....none of them has measured up (I am speaking here of the televangelists and "famous" folk).

Paul was also accepted by the apostles whom Christ had already selected during His life. Paul argued with and converted Peter with regard to the circumcision, for example.

None of these "annointed ones" has ever gotten a major theologian with scholarly reputation to support them....Instead, they proclaim themselves biblical scholars and require no further "evidence" other than their own words and that of their fellow hucksters.

God annoints. Man disappoints.

So, as I say, I tend to do a triple take when I hear of a self-proclaimed "annointed" one. God will certainly reveal these folk for all to see.

And it isn't in how much they "give", for we are not saved by our works. The truth is deeper and more fundamental. The truth is humble. Christ told us that we come to Him if we are as "humble" as children.


3 and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

4 "Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

(Matthew 18:3-4)

I see little or no humility among these "self-proclaimed ANNOINTED" men and women of God.

If God can speak from a burning bush and a donkey, surely he can use anyone to get His message across....unfortunately, too many of us then respect the bush and the donkey as if they were truly "of God".

The message is Holy. The messenger is only as Holy as when he/she is preaching the Holy message. When he/she ceases to be used of God, then their message should be ignored....regardless of their protestations of a past acquaintance with the Lord.

Think about it.

[GloryBound]

I lived in an area where the wierd "anointing" teaching was popular. The anointing is scriptural, but their idea of it wasn't. It goes something like this;

All preachers are "anointed". The rest of us are not.

"Once anointed, always anointed", no matter how far they have backslid. No matter how much living in sin they are doing, they still keep their position as pastor because they are "anointed'.

An "anointed" person answers only to God. If he is living in sin, no human has the authority to call him on it.

The children of the "anointed ones" are also anointed. No one except God may discipline them. Including the parents. Only God can. If the pastor's son wants to be inappropriate with your daughter, you "mind your own business" and let him.

I can think of more, but I'll stop there. They really have no scripture to back this up. The one they quote is where David wouldn't kill Saul because he was anointed. But they don't go so far as to find the scripture where Saul's authority was limited to secular. He was forbidden to perform spiritual duties, and when he did God took his kingdom away. So what does Saul's anointing for secular duties have to do with a minister's spiritual anointing?

[glorymj]

Originally posted by GloryBound
The children of the "anointed ones" are also anointed. No one except God may discipline them. Including the parents. Only God can. If the pastor's son wants to be inappropriate with your daughter, you "mind your own business" and let him. They sure wouldn't like us much. I don't think so. http://luvjc.net/emoticons/angry/0018.gif

[Hootmon]

It might be worth pointing out that the word 'Messiah' is from the Hebrew term for 'annointed one'.H4899
משׁיח
mâshı̂yach
maw-shee'-akh
From H4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically the Messiah: - anointed, Messiah.It should be applied to a person only after a great deal of forethought, I would think...

[Christine]

There is a difference between Charasmatic and Word of Faith. Word of Faith came out of Charasmatic circles -- and why it is called "third wave" (Pentecostal being the first 'wave' and Charasmatic being the 'second').

Many churches are on the bubble between the second and third wave -- in that they accept some doctrines of third wave yet reject others.

As far as 'anointing' in the church age, can anyone show me scripture that says one is 'anointed' over another?

All I seem to see is that ALL believers are 'anointed' and all called into various kinds of SERVICE (not control).

(See Hebrews 1:9, 2Corinthians 1:21-22, 1John 2:27)

:):

[MikeJ]

All saints have an anointing from God and yes, God can and does specially anoint some believers. Whether they're a pastor or not is immaterial. Even if a saint is specially anointed they are still not above Biblical correction.

Personally, I count all the WOF TV preachers as false teachers. Which of course means that any anointing that they have is counterfeit. I do sometimes watch them, for amusment purposes only, even though it angers me how they mislead so many.

IMHO, any special anointing is given only after a person's faith is severly tested (beyond normal human limits) for many years. Even then it's given to empower that believer to accomplish a difficult mission. IMO, this isn't something to seek for, or gloat over if you have it.

I don't think you will find the truly anointed on TV hawking the "seed faith principle" or telling believers that they should all be millionaires and never have a cold.