Freemasons & Christianity

[LoadShark]

In your opinions, is it possible to be a Freemason and a Christain as well?

[antsinmypants]

Yes, though only in the first few levels of Freemasonry.

It's like trying to be a Wiccan and a Christian at the same time. Incompatable.

[antsinmypants]

Thread on Unitarians-- the Freemason "church" (http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?threadid=89297&highlight=%2Amasonry%2A)

[cindyw]

Originally posted by LoadShark
In your opinions, is it possible to be a Freemason and a Christain as well?

I believe it possible, but only for a VERY immature Christian who does not know the Word of God very well. A Christian grounded in the Word of God could not joyfully lock arms with an organization which promotes a works/universal salvation. The actual initiation into the organization would be enough to make any Christian feel 'uncomfortable' due to having to acknowledge verbally that before one came to the Masonic brotherhood they were in darkness.......As a Christian, we acknowledge our source of light/Truth is Jesus Christ, not the Masonic brotherhood........

They do many good things to be sure and it's under this guise of "good works" that many men enter into this organization. If you are interested in knowing much more from a Christian standpoint I would recommend the booklet John Ankerberg put out on Freemasonry. You can pick it up at any Christian Bookstore for a couple of bucks. Very informative. My father who is a Mason (not a Christian) verified some of the info in this booklet. Blessings in Jesus, Cindy:):

[chris_h]

My grandfather was both a Freemason and a Baptist, but he also smoked. He died from complications from lung cancer nearly five years ago.

:tape

[cindyw]

Originally posted by chris_h
My grandfather was both a Freemason and a Baptist, but he also smoked. He died from complications from lung cancer nearly five years ago.

:tape


Yup, lots of Masons in the Baptist Church among other Churches. As I've said before, it's a good idea to see who your elders and deacons are........you may be surprised.........and sickened to see what's in the "church"..............:(:

[antsinmypants]

Good books I have read thus far on Masonry:

"Masonic Lodge" _ George A Mather & Larry A Nichols
(Zondervan Guide to cults and religious movements)
(short & enlightening.)


"The Secret Teachings of the Masonic Lodge: A Christian Perspective" - John Ankerberg and John Weldon (VERY VERY INFORMATIVE)

[duckdogger]

I think most members in the Masonic lodges are there for the brats and beer. At any level. It's a big boy's club.

Just as there are many in the pews of fundamental churches who haven't a clue. It's habit, it's tradition. Another way of saying I don't see a lurking conspiracy of Free Masons.

[chris_h]

I just thought of something. Since my granddaddy was a Freemason, couldn't I join them and try to get the deal on 'em? :heh

[duckdogger]

Secret Agent Chris. But we will need a secret code so you can send us reports of the satanic brats and saurkraut.

[chris_h]

Okay. :D:

[1Marc]

To suggest that it is possibe for a Christian to be a mason suggest you do not know what the Masonic organisation realy is.

Have a look at this link please

http://www.ephesians5-11.org/masonicritual/
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/what_is_freemasonry.html
.........................
Quote
"One of the most hidden secrets involves the so-called fall of Angels.
Satan and hisrebellious host will thous proove to have become the direct savious and creators of divine man.
Thous Satan, once he ceases to be viewed in the superstitious spirit of the church, grows into the grandious image. It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God.
Satan (or Lucifer) represents the Centrifugal force of the universe this ever-living symbol of self sacrifice for the intelectual independence of humanity.
Syster H.P.Blavatsky
from "The secret doctrine."
...................

God have mercy of this people.
Whoever thinks in stepping into a lodge even at the lowest possible level remenber that
The head or highest level OF MASONERY IS SATAN HIMSELF
So please do not even consider it, rather ran away.

Suggested readings:

"Last warning" by Barry Smith
http://www.barrysmith.org.nz/

[duckdogger]

Do all who are Mason eventaully worship Satan as their saviour?

[chris_h]

So, does that mean that my grandfather may not have been a Christian? He was a smoker, and died from complications from lung cancer. :cry

[Leigh]

Chris, just because your grandfather was a Mason, or a smoker, does not mean he was not a Christian.

My grandfather was also a Mason, as is my father. I believe without a doubt that my father is a Christian.

I grew up going to Daddy's lodge's family night, which they would have a couple of times a year. They'd have a covered dish supper and we'd all go into their meeting room for the program. There was a lot of ceremony, and it ended in a prayer to God.

Like Duckdogger said it is a sort of "big boys club." The men in Dad's group remind me a little of the people in Mayberry (from the Andy Griffith Show). Most of them are kind, older men, unpretentious, who enjoy the fellowship.

Now twice a year they have a fund-raiser dinner for the children's home. The men do all the cooking and cleaning, and they bend over backwards to serve their guests.

I have heard bits and pieces of what Freemasonry is supposed to be, but based on what I've seen, I've NEVER known it to be like that.

[cindyw]

Originally posted by Leigh
Now twice a year they have a fund-raiser dinner for the children's home. The men do all the cooking and cleaning, and they bend over backwards to serve their guests.

I have heard bits and pieces of what Freemasonry is supposed to be, but based on what I've seen, I've NEVER known it to be like that.

I don't think anyone can dispute the good deeds done by Masons/Shriners. That is not at issue. There are many good works done by all kinds of secular/lost people. The problem with this organization is not that it's a fraternal organization. It's that it uses religion as a means of membership. YOU CANNOT be ATHEIST and be a Mason. They say it is not a religious organization, yet one has to have a belief in God. If they are in a predominantly Christian area, the Bible is placed upon their alter. Even so, NO evangelization is allowed. Members are taught to keep their personal religious opinions to themselves. As long as the other members believe in a SUPREME ARCHITECT, it does not matter WHAT diety you believe in------even to the loss of your own soul.

Now, if as a Christian, you do not have a problem with swearing allegiance to such an organization........I think that warrants some serious soul searching...........

[GloryBound]

Originally posted by duckdogger
Do all who are Mason eventaully worship Satan as their saviour?

That's only revealed in the higher levels. And they call satan "lucifer".

I knew a guy who was a Mason. He is a Christian, and had no idea of their secret doctrines. When he found out, he quit.

[antsinmypants]

Read the two books I told you about. It tells you which organisations are tied to the masons, what the masons believe (From their own books and words from interviews and a former Grand Master).

You cannot be a shriner without being in the upper eschelon of the Masonry-- 30th degree etc.

By this point you have been told to renounce G-d, and to serve masonry and it's god. You also do everything for the better of the brotherhood, and if you see one of your brothers committing a crime, you cannot testify against him and must help him if he needs you in his efforts.

The Jesuit order is in charge of the upper body of it, and the RCC has it's own group which is the same.

JWs and Mormons are not allowed to be Masons... their Belief system and "elder" system is exactly the same, with slightly different names and order of service than the different Lodges.
RCC isn't allowed to be masons, yet they have their own order.


Remember the big fiasco a few years ago with Scotland Yard??

It all centered around crime within the Yard, by Masonic brothers.


You need to read the books, and there is a VHS/DVD By Ankerberg where he interviews prominent Masons & a Former Grand Master..


I work at a funeral home/cemetery, even I am not allowed into a Masonic Funeral service, nor are any of the funeral directors. A mason cannot be buried without his apron and "tools" -- or he isn't "righteous before deity" (those are the words of the masons).

They do not believe in G-d but "a god"-- you are also not allowed to pray in the name of Messiah one you get past the first 5 initiation levels.

Their spirit testifies against ours. As one with discernernment, I can tell you- I do get the same feeling with a Mason that I do with a pagan... whether they claim salvation or not.

A few of my great uncles are High ranking Masons and attend church. They are more proud of their ring and brother hood than anything else, and when you ask them if they are saved/how to be saved-- their answer is that they are good people, do community service and worship with their brothers and at church.

It is a whole other religion, centered around Lucifer -- the G.A.T.U. (The Great Architect of the Universe).

[GloryBound]

There ARE people who are very aware of all this, and think they can play both sides and "be safe". They have a baptismal certificate AND a luciferic initiation, and think that they'll be "OK no matter who wins armegeddan". Yep, I've heard those exact words. I quote where Jesus said you can't serve both sides. They've heard that before and don't believe it. And they think that they are the smartest of all people, that the rest of us are "stupid" for not covering all bases.











GB>-------------has read the last chapter and knows who wins.

[Mommy2KandM]

Originally posted by cindyw
Yup, lots of Masons in the Baptist Church among other Churches. As I've said before, it's a good idea to see who your elders and deacons are........you may be surprised.........and sickened to see what's in the "church"..............:(:

I have thought about this in the past.. How would one find out though if anyone in church leadership is involved with the masons? I have no reason to suspect anyone at my church.. but you never really know.

I mean wouldn't they find it odd if I just called the church office and asked.. "can you tell me if anyone in the church leadership is a mason?" :laugh

I remember as a child going to parades to watch my mothers uncle march in them. He was a shriner. My family didn't know much about it then. But now my mother and I talk about it and are a little spooked that he is a shriner.

My husband grandfather was a Mason and his uncle is currently. Thankfully his father never took interest in it and stayed away.. probably the disgrace in the family. Turning his back on joining like his dad and brother. :rolleyes I thank God for protecting his heart and mind and keeping him safe from this organization.

[antsinmypants]

Mommy2K&M,

You can tell by their rings, Tie Tacks, bumper-sticker, the added tag piece to their car tag or window decals.

You also can ask the pastor, but many pastors are also masons...

Otherwise, keep your eyes and ears about you.. sometimes you "just know".

[duckdogger]

I downloaded the links about the Masonic lodge but have yet to digest the contents. Ants, I am still skeptical that all who belong to the masonic lodges end up as satanic puppets.

The comment about the upper legions being rife with Catholics is a stretch and appears as RCC-bashing. Like I said, I am leary of all the bad press about the masons.

[cindyw]

Hi Kristina,

I think the only real way you could find out would be to ask outright about the elders/Pastor and deacons. An unnamed admin, told me that the Pastor he replaced in the SBC was a Mason and he had to rid his new office of Masonic reading material. There are many Masons/Shriner's in the Christian Church. The Baptist churches are filled with them.......as most Shriner's/masons are "religious".......they are good men who do good works. Religion is one of their 'good' works.

This year while checking out local churches we were shocked to find in the First Church of Christ in our area at least 1 deacon was an OPENLY known Shriner. It was on his biography when he was being voted on to become a deacon. My DH and I were shocked. We felt if this was acceptable and he was voted in, there must be more Shriners in higher positions. It told us that this fellowship (VERY large church) was not spiritually discerning. We couldn't sit under that. In the past I have posted articles on the Southern Baptist's investigation into the Masonic organization and it's compatibility/incompatibility with Christianity. If you would like this report, I'll find it for you. The SBC basically wimped out in it's stance. It concluded that the Masonic Org was incompatible to Christianity, but left it up to individual members to decide for themselves------that left the door open to leaders being Masons..........Blessings in Jesus, Cindy:):

[houseparent]

I suppose this is going to sound arrogant, but how ANYONE cannot see that Free Masonry is something a follower of Christ should NEVER be involved with is beyond me.

They say the Nazi's fixed the roads, and built some hospitals in their day.:rolleyes

[Mommy2KandM]

Thanks cindy. I am not SBC, but I am sure it is in other denominations also. I might Email my pastor and ask if he or anyone else in the church leadership is a shriner or a mason.

[Xlcor]

Freemasonry teaches:

1. Salvation by works, by-passing the finished work of Jesus Christ. By applying the tools and rules of masonry to one's life, the square, compasses, plumb line, trowel, level, etc. one can achieve the "Celestial Lodge of the heavens".

2. Universalism of God and the Brotherhood of all mankind

3. Prayers to God may not invoke the name of Jesus Christ.

4. Each degree is completed with a blood/death oath. Jesus said "Swear not".

5. The "G" in the center of the square and compass symbol stands for "Geometry".

6. God is the "Grand Articifer(or architect) Of The Universe" (GAOTU)

There are many more, but you get the idea. At any B & N, BaM, you can get a Webb's Monitor that gives word-for-word each degree, secret handshake, grip, etc. The "secret" is out.

Also, Albert Pike, who wrote the entire Scottish Rite, was DEEP into the occult. He also wrote the book Morals and Dogma.

These are just a few reasons to shun any church that has a Pastor or Deacons who are Masons.