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Diane 1611
November 17th, 2003, 02:30 PM
Here's a summary of part 2 of the Joyce Meyer series. If you click on the link, you will find links to the complete article and other related stories.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/Jefferson+County/34371496E0E8BA8E86256DE1001F8FA1?OpenDocument&Headline=Summary%3A+Money+pitch+is+a+hit+with+followers

Summary: Money pitch is a hit with followers
By Carolyn Tuft and Bill Smith
Post-Dispatch
11/16/2003

The spray on Joyce Meyer's hair and the sequins on her tailor-made pink suit sparkled in the bright stage lights before 8,000 people in the arena where the Buffalo Sabres play hockey.

Meyer's rough, homespun south St. Louis drawl thundered out to her audience, which suddenly had become silent and still.

To give is godly, she said. Never fear giving too much in the name of God, even if it means sacrificing dinners out during the three-day conference. Fear, she said, is the work of the devil.

She lectured for nearly an hour before ending with the same plea she'd been delivering for a decade: ``Make your checks payable to Joyce Meyer Ministries/Life in the Word. And million is spelled M-I-L-L-I-O-N.''

Many in the crowd flipped open their wallets or pulled out their checkbooks.

No one came forth with a million dollars that day in June. But in September, the ministry says, an East Coast woman gave stock worth that amount. Meyer then asked for more.

``I didn't have that thing for five minutes and I said, `OK, God. Next I'll take $5 million,''' Meyer later told an audience in Tampa.

It is that kind of hard-edged audacity that has made Meyer one of the biggest names in big-name TV evangelism and has endeared the Fenton grandmother to millions of faithful supporters worldwide. At 60, she shows no signs of slowing down as she stretches herself further.

In St. Louis last month, Meyer asked for a $7 million check.

"That would really bless me,'' she said.

Meyer's 20 or so conferences each year, where followers usually have their only opportunity to see and hear her live, are part old-fashioned tent revival, part motivational rally and part unrelenting sales pitch.

Meyer attracts her fans to her gatherings with promises of a free conference. The only conference with an entrance fee is her annual St. Louis women's conference, which charges $50 per person.

Yet, from the moment followers enter one of her free conferences, Meyer pushes for their money.

``God does not need our money. The giving thing is not for Him, it's for us,'' Meyer told her Detroit audience in September. ``I should not have to work to try to support myself.''

The Post-Dispatch attended four of Meyer's conferences: Buffalo in June, Atlanta in August, Detroit in September and St. Louis in October.

The newspaper found virtually identical elements at each conference -- heavy doses of modern religious music, unwavering religious faith and a strong, focused effort to bring in money.

Joyce Meyer Ministries is, without question, a well-oiled moneymaking machine.

MercifullySaved
November 17th, 2003, 03:11 PM
I don't know if I want to :cry or :puke when I read something like this. :sigh :confused

blitzkreig
November 17th, 2003, 04:04 PM
related rhetorical question: If one really believed that God was their auditor,... would they put their thumb on the scales?...

carry on :doh

Rebecki
November 17th, 2003, 04:57 PM
No one came forth with a million dollars that day in June. But in September, the ministry says, an East Coast woman gave stock worth that amount. Meyer then asked for more.

``I didn't have that thing for five minutes and I said, `OK, God. Meyer later told an audience in Tampa.

In St. Louis last month, Meyer asked for a $7 million check.

[b]"That would really bless me,'' she said.
``God does not need our money. The giving thing is not for Him, it's for us,'' Meyer told her Detroit audience in September. ``I should not have to work to try to support myself.''

This is absolutely repulsive! What audacity this woman has to make statements like this. What is worse is that people continue to send her their money!! They are just as bad as she is.

FaithnJesus
November 17th, 2003, 05:54 PM
As Mrs Hoppes said in the other thread :tape

Christine
November 17th, 2003, 07:58 PM
Whoops! I didn't see this thread. I will add these pics here as well:

I chopped this up as it was one HUGE photo -- original can be found here:

http://graphics.stltoday.com/infographics/joycemeyer/joycemeyer4.html

Joyce's Compound (their words, not mine):

http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy/images/joycemeyercompound1.jpg


http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy/images/joycemeyercompound2.jpg


http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy/images/joycemeyercompound3.jpg

Christine
November 17th, 2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Diane 1611
No one came forth with a million dollars that day in June. But in September, the ministry says, an East Coast woman gave stock worth that amount. Meyer then asked for more.

``I didn't have that thing for five minutes and I said, `OK, God. Next I'll take $5 million,''' Meyer later told an audience in Tampa.

In St. Louis last month, Meyer asked for a $7 million check.

"That would really bless me,'' she said. Bless ME she says? So "Joyce Meyer" Ministries is just that -- its all about Joyce....

"God does not need our money. The giving thing is not for Him, it's for us,'' Meyer told her Detroit audience in September. "I should not have to work to try to support myself.'' She is nothing but a two bit con-artist. It sickens me to think what her followers are sacrificing in order to give her their hard earned cash so that she can maintain those grounds, tax exempt no less.

heavenlierealm
November 17th, 2003, 09:02 PM
:wacko :freaked :tsk :tsk

InHisTime
November 17th, 2003, 09:04 PM
I'm shocked. I had no idea. I feel very deceived right now.

Dawn

jenniofYahushua
November 17th, 2003, 10:46 PM
while i am as always utterly disgusted at meyers i am blessed right now! i am blessed because when i see a topic like meyers in a site like this i partly expect to see brethern battling for her and excusing away her carnal and deceptive behavior but i have not seen that here Praise the Lord! i am blessed to see you all rightly dividing and discerning what is good and what is evil :thumb

I Believe!!!
November 18th, 2003, 03:51 AM
I'm shocked. I had no idea. I feel very deceived right now.

It's ok Dawn...God knows where your heart is, make Jesus your real hero:thumb

For some reason I felt compelled to respond to your comments.:wave

Ynott
November 18th, 2003, 05:16 AM
I've seen Ms. Meyers before and she always kinda rankled. The suits and sequins put me off, but I reassured myself by saying at least her hair wasn't pink!

This information (from both threads) is very depressing, but I thank you all for posting it as it is also quite revealing.

We need to remain informed.

In these last days, the false prophets/teachers are just crawling outta the woodwork, aren't they?

I feel dirty just listening to her commentary. It is (as stated so eloquently above by another poster) quite repulsive.

JDM2
November 20th, 2003, 03:23 PM
Wonder what son Dan did to get such a small house?

arcticgirl
November 21st, 2003, 01:09 PM
Joyce Meyers needs to repent. I am not saying money is evil of and in itself but her attitude...I have had the priviledge of working very closely for a great person, this person was one of the richest people in the world, literally. The family inherited a vast fortune accumulated over many generations.

I say this to say that the person that I knew was under such Godly conviction to use this resource for the Lord. With no name attached, this person has given tens of milions to responsible organizations to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, and educate the illiterate of many countries. There are no institutions bearing this person's name because they are so convinced that all of this was given to them as a responsibility to use for the glory of God and to do the greatest good for the greatest number of people.

I was humbled, I for so many years have had a predjudice against anyone who had wealth, my own issues were jealousy and a kind of reverse class consciousness, my relationship to this wealthy person sort of changed my view, that money , like anything else is a tool that can be used for good or evil. This person was so careful about where they gave because they took very seriously the admonition to give responsibly, to examine the charities or foundations because it is our responsibility as Christians to steward our resources. Also, this person lived in a modest but well built home and drove good mechanically sound cars but in no way lived ostentatiously, they didn't want to waste what God had given them to use for His purposes.

Joyce seems like a bad investment if you want to make sure you are doing the most good for the most people with your gift of money, she is kinda doing the most good for a few, her extended family. Anyway, my run-off-at-the-mouth commentary.
Nan

cindyw
November 21st, 2003, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by arcticgirl
Anyway, my run-off-at-the-mouth commentary.
Nan

I liked your commentary Nan! :thumb

Christine
November 21st, 2003, 06:13 PM
Me too -- that was an excellent example! :nod

RJs here
November 21st, 2003, 07:30 PM
articgirl ~ now I'll admit, it's stories like this you've posted (great story, btw!) that makes me WISH I DID have money......


simply for the fact ~ I could have the time of my life making benefactors out of those in dire need.....


but then, when I was thinking about that -- I thought, nah, -- I'd probably be duped by so many insincere requests for $ ~ that I'd end up giving it when I shouldn't, and vice versa.



Oh well ~ {takes quick glance into checkbook} ~........... no worries of me getting to be a philanthropist any time soon!!


:lol

arcticgirl
November 21st, 2003, 07:41 PM
Me too RJ, I realized in knowing this person that I would be incredibly stressed out by the responsibility, but i think it may be a gift like any other, to deal with that kind of stewardship. my gifts lie in other areas..(looking in my slim wallet :B: )

Geoff274544
November 21st, 2003, 07:47 PM
I think the case with teachers like Joyce, is that they have went into the ministry because of their love of Jesus.

Then they get a sniff of the money and everything changes. My advice to Joyce, Benny and co. RE-Pick up your cross.

SeaDreamer
November 21st, 2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by JDM2
Wonder what son Dan did to get such a small house?

He's here on RR as Mailman Dan. :heh


Disclaimer: that was a joke. I have no idea who Mailman Dan is in real life.

airpenny
November 21st, 2003, 09:00 PM
I'm not trying to take sides here but is it possible that she was misqouted? The media can really twist things.

Her house is huge :eek

But anyways I'm not taking any sides. Something just doesn't sound right. I've never heard Joyce say anything remotely close to what was printed. I pray God's will be done in the situation.