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Nikita
October 24th, 2003, 04:09 PM
I've always wondered this, even my husband and others wonder but don't have the answer. I know that this topic has been asked here before (long ago) but I don't think it really answered to the point that satisfied me (otherwise I wouldn't be starting a thread!)

I'm fully aware that anti-Semitism is the devil's work and also that God had cursed them to hardship; but in a human being's perspective (not sure if that's the right choice of words), what is it really?

Blacks were hated because of the color of their skin, Jews were hated because of ________???

After visiting this site, holocaust (http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/timeline.html) :cry, it made me want to find out more the answer to my question.

Anybody??

blitzkreig
October 24th, 2003, 04:34 PM
Mark Twain describing the Jews wrote:

"If the statistics are correct, the Jews represent merely one percent of humanity - an irrelevant spark in the light of the Milky Way. Normally speaking, the Jews should hardly be heard of, and yet we heard and hear of them again and again. They can rival any people on earth in fame, and their significance in economy and trade are in no ratio to their population. Their contribution to the list of great names in literature, natural science, art, music, finance, medicine and profound learning is just as amazing. They have done extremely well in this world - with their hands tied behind their backs. They could rightly be proud of themselves. The Egyptians, Babylonians and Persians came into power, filled the earth with their glory, but perished. The Greeks and Romans followed, "made a lot of noise," and then disappeared. Other nations rose up, their torches burned for a while, and then they were extinguished, and today they sit in the twilight or have completely disappeared. The Jews saw it all. They beat them all, and are today what they always were, showing no decay, no aging, no weakening, no decline of energy, no blunting of their wide-awake dynamic spirit. Everything is mortal except the Jew. All other powers perish but he remains. What is the mystery of his immortality? " (Mark Twain, 1899).

MikeJ
October 24th, 2003, 04:42 PM
Nikita,

The world hates the Jews because Satan hates them. He is the little god of this present world system. He hates them because God chose them to give mankind the bible and the Messiah.

Humanly speaking, I guess everyone wants a scapegoat to blame for everything and the Jews, unfornunately, are convenient probably because of their religion. Are those the same answers you saw on another thread?

Mike

blitzkreig
October 24th, 2003, 04:55 PM
With so few Jews it is remarkable...: from Jewish Virtual Library (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html)

The Jewish Population of the World

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The estimated strength of world Jewry today is little more than 13 million. We say “estimated” not just because of the traditional Jewish reluctance to count its people, but also because of the impossible task of reaching out to so many unaffiliated Jews in the Diaspora.
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United States 5,800,000
Israel 4,847,000
France 600,000
Russia 550,000
Ukraine 400,000
Canada 360,000
United Kingdom 300,000
Argentina 250,000
Brazil 130,000
South Africa 106,000
Australia 100,000
Hungary 80,000
Belarus 60,000
Germany 60,000
Mexico 40,700
Belgium 40,000
Italy 35,000
Uzbekistan 35,000
Venezuela 35,000
Uruguay 32,500
Azerbaijan 30,000
Moldova 30,000
Netherlands 30,000
Iran 25,000
Turkey 25,000
Sweden 18,000
Switzerland 18,000
Georgia 17,000
Chile 15,000
Kazakhstan 15,000
Latvia 15,000
Romania 14,000
Spain 14,000
Austria 10,000
Denmark 8,000
Poland 8,000
Morocco 7,500
Hawaii, USA 7,000
Panama 7,000
Czech Republic 6,000
India 6,000
Lithuania 6,000
Slovakia 6,000
Colombia 5,650
Greece 5,000
New Zealand 5,000
Kyrgyzstan 4,500
Bulgaria 3,000
Estonia 3,000
Peru 3,000
Puerto Rico 3,000
Costa Rica 2,500
Hong Kong 2,500
Yugoslavia 2,500
Croatia 2,000
Japan 2,000
Tunisia 2,000
Tajikistan 1,800
Norway 1,500
Guatemala 1,200
Finland 1,200
Paraguay 1,200
Turkmenistan 1,200
Cuba 1,000
Ecuador 1,000
Ireland 1,000
Monaco 1,000
Zimbabwe 925
Portugal 900
Yemen 800
Bosnia-Herzegovina 600
Gibraltar 600
Luxembourg 600
Ethiopia 500
Kenya 400
Netherlands Antilles 400
US Virgin Islands 400
Bolivia 380
Zaire 320
Jamaica 300
Singapore 300
Dominican Republic 250
Philippines 250
Syria 250
Thailand 250
Armenia 200
Bahamas 200
Suriname 200
South Korea 150
El Salvador 120
Iraq 120
Tahiti 120

Medic911
October 24th, 2003, 05:07 PM
because their father Satan hates them
Odd choice of words.
:confused

I'm familiar with Jesus's reference to satan as their 'father'. I'm also aware that these verses have been the misguided source of anti-semitism for centuries. Many commentaries explain the meaning and context of these oft-misused verses.

Anytime Jesus pronounced woe upon the Jews he did so after the manner of God in the Old Testament. In John 8:44 told a group of Jews that they were the children of the devil. Was this a declaration that all Jews are the children of Satan? No way. Jesus had expounded the Scriptures and had shown them how they had erred from the sacred writings. They continued to justify their actions by standing behind their Jewish culture. This is when he said that they were of the devil. Not because they were Jewish but because they followed the vain traditions of their fathers rather than following the Scriptures. Is this characteristic of the God of the Israel? Yes sir. The Holy One of Israel acted in like manner in Isaiah 30: 9-14. So who are the children of Satan? Anyone who rebels against the truth of the Word of God and will not adhere to the light they have been given. That goes for Jew and gentile alike.
http://hopeofisrael.net/antisem.htm


At any rate, Mr. Twain/Clemmons summed it up very well. (As would be expected). Satan most likely assumes that if he can eradicate the Jews (or at least disrupt their heritage) he can terminate God's plans for the redemption of the world. Satan understands that thousands of years ago, God promised redemption for mankind would come from Abraham's decendants. It reminds me of "The Terminator"... where Skynet sends a killer back in time to kill the mother of a future resistance leader. If satan could eliminate the Jews, he would thereby disrupt God's plan for humanity.

Like Jesus's death, and the Nazi holocaust however, all attempts to do so backfire miserably.

blitzkreig
October 24th, 2003, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Medic911
Odd choice of words.
:confused

I'm familiar with Jesus's reference to satan as their 'father'. I'm also aware that these verses have been the misguided source of anti-semitism for centuries. Many commentaries explain the meaning and context of these oft-misused verses.


I had interpreted MikeJ sentence "The world hates the Jews because their father Satan hates them." to mean the father of the "world" (Satan) hates the Jews...

I hope MikeJ returns to clarify.

MikeJ
October 24th, 2003, 05:39 PM
Medic911, blitzkreig;

Whoa, sorry about the poor syntax. Thanks for catching it. One of my professors even jumped on to me for my, sometimes, poor wordings. I edited the offending post.

I love and admire the Jews. They will always be God's chosen people.

Mike

antsinmypants
October 24th, 2003, 05:39 PM
Blitz, the only problem wiht that statistic, is that in the Catholic countries, you have to register your RELIGION, not your ethnicity.

In Europe & the former USSR, there are more Jews that are professing (though not always practising) Catholics.. that aren't counted.

We encountered that alot in Spain & in Germany. I've heard it is the same in France, and according to my fiance's grandparents- it is the same in Yugoslavia, where the rest of their family is.

Many converted in WWII to Catholicism to save themselves from the Holocaust.


--The reason they are hated, is because they are the chosen people... and because they dispise G-d's laws.

G-d told them when they were with Moses, and when they were with Joshua-- Choose to follow my laws, or choose to get the concequences of it.

Througout the Prophets you hear more and more of the "choose life" or "chastening"..

They chose chastening, and it's not over yet.

Sadly, those who are believers & are semitic, fail to recognise the fact that their Saviour was of Judah.

antsinmypants
October 24th, 2003, 05:48 PM
An email I just got:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/21/wjew21.xml&sSheet=/news/2003/10/21/ixworld.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=40323

Text:


Germany's Jewish revival 'a sign of normality'
By Kate Connolly in Berlin
(Filed: 21/10/2003)

Germany's Jewish population, already the fastest-growing in the world, is expected to soar by a third in the next two years, the head of the country's Jewish community said yesterday.

Paul Spiegel, leader of the Central Council of Jews, forecast that the there would be around 130,000 Jews in Germany by 2005, and welcomed the increase as a sign that Germany was "on the way to normality".

"Today we have 83 Jewish communities with 100,000 members and synagogues are being built all around the country," Mr Spiegel said. "We could not have dreamt of this when we returned after the Second World War."



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It goes on farther, but still, they aren't counting the non-professing Jews, let alone those that are Jewish by birth, but not by faith (catholic or otherwise).

In Germany, when you are a certain age, you sign all your papers with your religion-- and that is the statistic they go by.

My fiance is still written down as "Katholic" -- though he is Jewish by birth, though his parents and grandparents (both sides) are practising and non-practising Catholics.

I did a little research and asked a few questions and got some answers.. and had it not been for lack of time- I would have asked and gotten more answers--

Many many converted to save their lives before WWI and WWII...

Bondservant
October 24th, 2003, 05:52 PM
Satan also hates the Jews because he knows God has made promises to them that He will be faithful to keep. If Satan can destroy the Jews he makes God out to be a liar. If he can destroy Israel he makes God a liar. He also knows that Jesus will return to the Mt. of Olives to rule and reign for 1000 years, he would like to make that a lie too. Satan hates and seeks to destroy all that God loves, including all us who call Him Lord, but his pet project has always been the Jews.

pilgrimian
October 24th, 2003, 08:41 PM
Good post, Bondservant!

Yes, we are to love the Jews...we are to witness to them. Actually, as Paul says in Romans 11 it is our faith that should make them jealous for the Gospel of Messiah.

The world does hate Jews because Satan hates the Jews...and Satan hates the Jews because God has worked His plan through them. And Satan knows that once God turns his attention back to Israel as a whole that his time will be very, very short. After the Tribulation Satan will be cast into the abyss for the Messianic Kingdom.

How To Destroy the Jews (http://www.ariel.org/ff00005c.html)
Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, Th.M., Ph.D.


INTRODUCTION

For the purpose of this study, we are going to work on the assumption that the Jews can be destroyed, and the question is merely a matter of "how." In dealing with any question that concerns Jewish survival or Jewish destruction, we are at the same time concerned with a specific philosophy of history. Based upon one’s philosophy of history, a person may look to the future, and, by applying their principles of philosophy of history, predict the way the future will turn out.

I. THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT

In dealing with the issue of Jewish destruction or Jewish survival, we are concerned with one specific philosophy of history that is expounded by the Word of God itself. In particular we find it in Genesis 12:1-3, where we read these words:

1Now Jehovah said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto the land that I will show thee: 2and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and be thou a blessing; 3and I will bless them that bless thee, and him that curseth thee will I curse: and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

In this covenant, God is essentially promising Abraham three things: first, that from him will come forth a people or a nation; second, to this nation God will give a land; and third, God will bless those who bless this nation and curse those who curse it.

Today we call the people or the nation that came forth from Abraham the Jewish nation or the Jewish people. A Jew is any descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and all such descendants are Jews. It is irrelevant what an individual Jew may believe or disbelieve; he will always remain a Jew.

Very early in human history, God laid down a specific, divine principle of His philosophy of history: "Those who bless the Jews will be blessed, and those who curse the Jews will be cursed." Understanding this principle will help explain much in history that cannot be explained any other way.

II. THE OUTWORKING OF THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT ON THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL

The Abrahamic Covenant begins to work its way out immediately in the same chapter of Genesis (vv. 10-15), when Abram instructs Sarai to tell the Egyptians she is his sister. If anyone can be said to be at fault here, it is certainly not the king of Egypt. Abraham comes into Egypt telling a half-truth; with the result that Sarah is taken from him and put into Pharaoh’s harem. In the outworking of the Abrahamic Covenant, God begins to operate on Abraham’s behalf and sent a plague on Pharaoh’s house (v 17).

We see a similar occurrence in Genesis 20. God had already promised that He would bless the Gentiles through the Jews and that the Jews would continue through Abraham’s son, Isaac. Now both of these incidents occurred before Isaac was born, and I see here a definite attempt to keep Isaac from being born by taking away his future mother. If Satan could keep Isaac from being born, then the Jews would die out with the death of Abraham. Unknowingly, Abimelech cursed Abraham in such a way as to destroy the Jews, and now God curses Abimelech.

When God operates on the cursing aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant, He works on the sub-principle: curse for curse in kind. The specific type of curse used against the Jews will now be used against the "curser." This is seen in verse 18 of this chapter:

For Jehovah had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah, Abraham’s wife.

It was now the house of Abimelech that faced possible extinction because of the inability of the women in his household to give birth. After Abraham prayed for Abimelech upon the latter’s restoring Sarah, the curse was lifted. This first attempt to destroy the Jews failed, and Isaac was born as recorded in the following chapter.

Just as the cursing aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant had begun to operate on the individual level, so did the blessing aspect.

This is seen in the life of Jacob in Genesis 30:25-30. At the outset, one thing should be made very clear: Laban was no worshipper of the true God. When his nephew Jacob came bringing the God Jehovah, Laban, being a very ecumenical individual, was happy to include Jehovah among his many other gods as well. Nevertheless, this pagan recognized something: he recognized that this God of Jacob, whoever He was, was blessing him because of his relationship with Jacob, the Jew. The blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant are based purely on the relationship with the Jews. Thus Laban, the pagan, was blessed because he had a proper relationship with Jacob, the Jew.

The Book of Genesis is, among other things, a record of the outworking of the Abrahamic Covenant on the individual level. God’s philosophy of history has begun to operate on the principle of blessing those who bless the Jews and cursing those who curse them in kind.

III. THE OUTWORKING OF THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL

When we come to the Book of Exodus, we begin dealing with the national level of God’s philosophy of history; that is, we now deal with Israel as a nation. In the first chapter of the Book of Exodus, Egypt sets out to curse Israel. The curse is in two phases.

The first is found in Exodus 1:8-11. Egypt is the first nation that can be called truly anti-Semitic in the modern sense of the term. In the first phase of her curse against Israel, she puts the Jews into slavery.

Later a second phase is initiated in verses 15-16 and 22. Not only is Egypt the first anti-Semitic nation, she is the first nation to attempt genocide against the Jews. So now, in this second phase, she is out to destroy the newborn sons by means of drowning.

Now God waits four hundred years before delivering His people. Yet another sub-principle involved in the Abrahamic Covenant is: sometimes God will delay a long time before keeping His promise to the Jews, but sooner or later that promise will be kept.

Finally, after four hundred years, God begins to work, and again we see the sub-principle: curse for curse in kind. The curse against Israel was to kill the newborn sons. Now God sends ten plagues upon Egypt, the last resulting in the death of every first-born Egyptian son. As Israel leaves Egypt and the Egyptian army chases in hot pursuit, God destroys the Egyptian army by means of drowning.

Another example that portrays the outworking of the Abrahamic Covenant is the Book of Esther. In Esther 3:6, a man by the name of Haman sets out with his curse against the Jews:

But he thought scorn to lay hands on Mordecai alone; for they had made known to him the people of Mordecai: wherefore Haman sought to destroy all the Jews that were throughout the whole kingdom of Ahasuerus, even the people of Mordecai.

But, in the end, it is curse for curse in kind, as we read in Esther 7:10:

So they hanged Haman on the gallows that he had prepared for Mordecai. Then was the king’s wrath pacified.

IV. THE OUTWORKING OF THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

The New Testament demonstrates the continuity of the Abrahamic Covenant and the principle of God’s philosophy of history. An example of this is found in Luke 7:2-10, when Jesus healed the Roman centurion’s servant. At this point in history the Romans were not friends of the Jews, but there was something different about this particular Roman. The Jewish leaders themselves testified that: he loveth our nation, and himself built us our synagogue (v. 5). We see here that Jesus honors the faith of a Gentile Roman soldier—a centurion no less—because of his relationship with the Jewish people with whom he was living in the city of Capernaum.

V. THE OUTWORKING OF THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT
IN POST-BIBLICAL HISTORY

Many events in history that are labeled peculiar, unusual or impossible to understand, can best be understood if viewed as a result of the outworking of the Abrahamic Covenant. There have been numerous attempts to destroy the Jews, and all have failed. Essentially, the four methods that were used during the biblical period have been the same ones used ever since, and these methods will always fail in destroying the Jews.

A. Spain

Because of its great Armada, the Spanish Empire controlled vast parts of the world. In 1492 the Spanish Edict of Expulsion ordering all Jews to leave the country was issued. When she expelled her Jews, she expelled her scholars, doctors, and bankers. The Spanish economy thus began to crumble and collapse. Finally, the source of Spain’s strength, the Armada, sailed against England and was destroyed, not so much by the British navy as by a storm at sea. The Abrahamic Covenant had worked itself out. She, who expelled the Jews, was then expelled from her holdings in the Western Hemisphere until nothing remained.

B. England

There was a time when England was blessed by God because of her favorable attitude to the Jews. The Balfour Declaration of World War I showed England’s favorable attitude towards establishing a Jewish national home in Palestine, later captured from the Turks. But then she turned against the Jews; England began to limit Jewish immigration. This policy trapped many Jews, preventing their flight from the Nazis. As a result, the British Empire began to crumble.

C. Germany

When Hitler came to power, anti-Semitism became the official government policy. As the Germans in 1939 drew the world again into war, this policy began to spread to the occupied parts of Europe. As one nation after another fell, the Jews were taken and moved into the slum sections of major cities such as Warsaw. Concrete walls were built around these ghettos, and the Jews were slowly beaten and starved. Six million were finally exterminated.

But after six years Germany was no longer the conqueror, but the conquered. For a generation the Germans, who once built walls around the Jews, had a wall cutting their once proud capital of Berlin in half. To this day, Nazi war criminals are forced to live in hiding as they are sought out by Jews.

D. Jordan

The fourth example involves the four Arab states of Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Egypt, all of whom combined their forces in 1967 with the avowed purpose of destroying Israel. The Arabs cursed the Jewish State with war and were defeated during the Six-Day War.

All this provides us with a unique picture of the sub-principle: curse for curse in kind. The philosophy of history involved in the Abrahamic Covenant provides the principles for understanding how the Gentile nations are related to the Jews.

VI. THE OUTWORKING OF THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT IN PROPHECY

After World War II, the main persecutor of the Jews was the former Soviet Union. She troubled the Jews inside her territory and was allied with the Arab States in their stated aim to destroy the State of Israel. Rather quickly, the Communist Empire collapsed. As for Russia, the Scriptures in Ezekiel 38:1-39:16 have already declared how Russia will come to its end. So even in prophecy, what we see working its way out is the principle of the Abrahamic Covenant.

A second example is the Campaign of Armageddon resulting in the second coming of Messiah (Zech. 12:2-3; 14:1-4).The event which brings about Israel’s national regeneration, the return of Yeshua the Messiah, and the dispensing of Israel’s enemies once and for all, is when all nations come against Jerusalem to battle. So even in prophecy, what we see working its way out is the principle of the Abrahamic Covenant.

Conclusion: philosophies of history based on non-biblical presuppositions fail to provide any answer to Jewish survival. This is clear from the very writings of those who tried to explain history by a certain system only to have it crack down in the face of the Jews. Not only have Gentile historians looking at the Jews come to a dead end in trying to explain them, but the Jews themselves have not been able to explain their existence in any consistent way. The Messianic believer, however, has the answer to the secret of Jewish survival. The answer lies in this cry of the last of the Old Testament prophets, Malachi 3:6:

For I, Jehovah, change not; therefore ye, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed.

The Jewish believer, then, can give the proper explanation of the role the Messianic people play in history: Their destruction is impossible.

The believer is the best defender of the Jews against all forms of anti-Semitism, teaching God’s attitude towards it and warning of God’s judgment if it persists. The Messianic believer can provide the one method that will work in destroying the Jews. If you want to destroy the Jews, then you must first destroy the sun, moon, and stars (Jer. 31:35-37).

VII. APPLICATION TO THE LOCAL CHURCH

Both Jewish believers and Gentile believers have recognized the need for world-wide evangelism in fulfilling the Great Commission (Matt. 28:18-20). However, Jewish believers have recognized an aspect of the biblical method of evangelism that the major part of Gentile Christianity has either ignored, denied, or simply rebelled against. This particular method or procedure for evangelism is clearly spelled out in Romans 1:16:

For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

There is only one verb that controls the two remaining clauses: the verb is. It is in the Greek present tense, emphasizing continuous action. The gospel is continuously God’s power to save, and it is continuously to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. If we tried to interpret this verse, as some have, to make it simply mean that the gospel came to the Jews first but this is no longer true, the verse would also have to mean that the gospel was once God’s power to salvation, but no longer is. The gospel is the power of God, and the proper procedure is for it to go to the Jew first, regardless of the method of evangelism (Acts 13:5, 14; 14:1; 16:12-13; 17:1-2; 10, 16-17; 18:1, 4, 19; 19:1, 8; 28:16-17; Rom. 1:16; 11:13-14).

The peculiarity about Jewish missions is that regardless of one’s calling to Gentile missions, he is still to go to the Jew first. Even though Paul’s unique calling and ministry was to the Gentiles, the great apostle recognized the principle of Romans 1:16, and everywhere Paul went, he always went to the Jew first.

The blessing aspect of the Abrahamic Covenant is available to the local church that will carry out the principle of Romans 1:16 both in active and passive evangelism. The gospel, whenever it goes out and by whatever means it goes out, should do so to the Jew first.

VIII. APPLICATION TO INDIVIDUALS

Psalm 122:6 says:

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: They shall prosper that love thee.

A special blessing is guaranteed to those who will pray for the peace of Jerusalem. One thing the Scriptures make clear is that the peace of Jerusalem is tied in with the second coming of Messiah, and the prerequisite to the second coming is Israel’s salvation. Those individuals who pray regularly for the salvation of the Jews are guaranteed certain blessings not available by any other means.

Average Joey
October 25th, 2003, 07:18 AM
My honest opinion is I think it is completely supernatural.It falls into same category as the mere mention of "Jesus" makes the lost feel angry and/or uncomfortable.

I also think there is a time coming shortly when we will be hated as much or more then the Jews.In a way it has already started.Has anybody noticed this term "Judeo Christian" mentioned much more in the secular world when describing us?I think the reasoning is to put us into the same category to be hated.

antsinmypants
October 25th, 2003, 12:32 PM
OK, get this-


We read this a few months ago.. the 12 tribes were told by G-d what their lives would have to adhere to- what commands to follow for "all days" (As an everlasting covenant), and what they'd have to do for sacrifices until Messiah comes.

In Deuteronomy 29-30, This is what He tells them will happen if they do not obey:

Deu 29:1 These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.
Deu 29:2 And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land;
Deu 29:3 The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles:
Deu 29:4 Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
Deu 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.
Deu 29:6 Ye have not eaten bread, neither have ye drunk wine or strong drink: that ye might know that I am the LORD your God.
Deu 29:7 And when ye came unto this place, Sihon the king of Heshbon, and Og the king of Bashan, came out against us unto battle, and we smote them:
Deu 29:8 And we took their land, and gave it for an inheritance unto the Reubenites, and to the Gadites, and to the half tribe of Manasseh.
Deu 29:9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
Deu 29:10 Ye stand this day all of you before the LORD your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel,
Deu 29:11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
Deu 29:12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this day:
Deu 29:13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
Deu 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
Deu 29:15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
Deu 29:16 (For ye know how we have dwelt in the land of Egypt; and how we came through the nations which ye passed by;
Deu 29:17 And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them:)
Deu 29:18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
Deu 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
Deu 29:20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.
Deu 29:21 And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:
Deu 29:22 So that the generation to come of your children that shall rise up after you, and the stranger that shall come from a far land, shall say, when they see the plagues of that land, and the sicknesses which the LORD hath laid upon it;
Deu 29:23 And that the whole land thereof is brimstone, and salt, and burning, that it is not sown, nor beareth, nor any grass groweth therein, like the overthrow of Sodom, and Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim, which the LORD overthrew in his anger, and in his wrath:
Deu 29:24 Even all nations shall say, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this land? what meaneth the heat of this great anger?
Deu 29:25 Then men shall say, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt:
Deu 29:26 For they went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and whom he had not given unto them:
Deu 29:27 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against this land, to bring upon it all the curses that are written in this book:
Deu 29:28 And the LORD rooted them out of their land in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.
Deu 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Deu 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
Deu 30:2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
Deu 30:3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
Deu 30:4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
Deu 30:5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deu 30:7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
Deu 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.
Deu 30:9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers:
Deu 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Deu 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
Deu 30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deu 30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.


The books of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel, Joel and Hosea deal with the 12 tribes Israel not keeping G-d's laws, and G-d telling them, that He as their father, will follow through with the punishment He said he would deal out if they didn't obey..

Being hated by their enemies, and seperated from home and in distant lands was one of those curses.

But, they WILL be regathered again, when they can truly call on the name of the L-rd, and do as He told them before.

Bondservant
October 25th, 2003, 06:59 PM
Zec 12
2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

As you read or watch the news it is very easy to see an anti-Israel bias. The world does not like Israel at all. Just look at the Europeans where anti-sementics are increasing. From there look at the UN which is so anti-Israel that they don't even try to be honest about it. To the UN, people who attack the Jews are ok but Israel is the bad guy when they defend themselves. This is the major theme in the world's news media.

Why is there this anti-Jewish and anti-Israel bias in the world? Well I would say that the devil knows enough Bible prophecy to know that God is blessing and protecting the nation of Israel. Also there are many Bible prophecies that have not yet been fulfilled for the nation of Israel. The devil thinks that if, somehow, he can destroy Israel then can disrupt the eternal plans of God. Since this world currently is under the rule of the devil and his people, what the devil does not like... his people do not like. Conversely what the devil likes, his lost people also like. For example, just look at sexual sins. The result of sexual sins is terrible and deadly diseases. However, Satan blesses sexual sin and this is why it is so popular in the world. TV, the movies and the media encourage sexual sin from adultery, fornication, and sodomy all with the blessings of the devil.

This is why Israel is hated in the world by many powerful countries and organizations. God loves and is blessing Israel. Satan therefore hates Israel. Notice how the little nation of Israel is constantly forefront in the news? Isn't that strange that a small nation of only 5 million can command the constant attention of the world? In fact the city of Jerusalem is literally a burdensome stone for the world. The Islamics demand this city for their possession. The Jews rightly have claimed the city of Jerusalem. Don't think the problems related to Jerusalem will be resolved. This city is literally the fuse to Armageddon! No other tiny nation in the world commands such attention as does the nation of Israel and Jerusalem. Again, all this attention and problems are a direct fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

Remember, God's purpose in redeeming Israel from Egypt was that we might serve Him. He gave us the Law to make us a holy community, set apart from the nations, to be a light to them.

God has an adversary who tries to thwart anything having to do with redemption. He hates God's love of humanity and His choice of the small and weak to accomplish His plans. Satan is always ready to encourage the worst aspects of human nature, tempting us to mistrust God and choose a destructive path.

Imagine how Satan has revelled in Israel's failures. How God's adversary must have loved it when we broke the Law—and he was probably even more delighted when we elevated the letter of the Law above the spirit.
But God had a plan all along, knowing that Israel would break His covenant. He promised a better covenant. Jesus announced at a Passover celebration that He was ushering in that new covenant— with His own blood. And when He had risen from the grave to prove the effectiveness of that new covenant, He instructed His disciples to wait in Jerusalem to receive the 'promise of the Father,' which was the Holy Spirit that would enable them to be witnesses 'in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth' (Acts 1:4-8). We are a constant reminder of God's mercy and grace, not to mention His power and ability to carry out His plans—despite Satan's attempts to destroy those plans by destroying the Jewish people.

prairiedog
October 25th, 2003, 07:45 PM
In addition to what has been said about the Jewish persecutions, past, present & future; I think the present day & future Jew is living proof that Replacement Theology is a falsehood.

If God transferred all of Israel's blessings to the Church, then Hitler would've succeeded with his extermination of the Jews.

God has always rescued a remnant of Israel from her enemies. Sadly, many did die. But not all. If they truly were a cursed race, then we would only be aware of their existance via the Bible & history books.

The Lord is very clear that He will Return to rescue Faithful Israel.
I honestly believe that's why so many RT denominations ignore the Book of Revelation.

To answer your question: The enemy & the world hate the Jews because they belong to God. Through Him, they are the people who kept God's Laws & shared it with the Gentiles. He rewarded them by sending Jesus to Save the world.

Nikita
October 27th, 2003, 12:36 PM
You guys have made really good points.

By Average Joey:
My honest opinion is I think it is completely supernatural.It falls into same category as the mere mention of "Jesus" makes the lost feel angry and/or uncomfortable.

That one I think nailed it.

Thanks all.