Carlosabc
October 24th, 2003, 01:00 PM
I had a rather surprising chat with our youth Pastor of our church last night on the phone. We talked for about an hour and a half.
I wish I recorded it. In brief, our topics varied, but I can say this. Although he is easy to talk to, and he is a super duper guy, (I told him that as well), trying to make a point with him is impossible.
Example, he asked me "What makes churches split, why do people have differences" something like that. I answered by saying, people have different ways of interpreting the Bible. Different taste etc. (Something like that. Not the exact wording).
One of my examples was based on 1 Cor 14. About the head covering. I told him people interpret these verses in different ways. The Bible forbids women from praying without having the heads covered. He said our church does it all the time. He then said, "When (Name deleted) is praying and all heads in the congregation are bowed, aren't the women praying in silence with their heads uncovered? We went on about that.
We talked about how men pray and how they should not have their heads covered according to 1 Cor. 14. He told me that Jesus had his head covered. I was surprised to hear that. I asked for scripture. He said "Jesus had a crown of thorns". I told him that that was an involuntary thing that occurred. He had no choice. We talked about men with long hair. He said that was a cultural thing that does not apply today.
Have you ever tried to catch a snake by the throat? Just when you think you can place the snake in the bag, he slips out and is found in the other side of the room.
Not calling the youth pastor a snake, but when you are trying to make a point, he will throw a monkey wrench in the argument.
I can give you many examples of this concerning our conversation last night.
He told me that if he had it his way, the music he plays now would be cranked up ten times, to the point where the bricks on the church walls would crack.
We talked about ear rings, (he wears them to show his loyalty to God as the slaves in Lev (OT) showed their love to their slave masters. He said he would show me scripture on this.
He said he would get a tattoo if he did not have health concerns. (No he is not getting a tattoo.).
"Music is objectionable" Music itself has no morality. Its the lyrics that make music good or bad he said.
I asked him if that's the case, can we take the most wild type of music, (dearth Vader like, black Sabbath) kind of heavy metal hard rock, can we take that and remove the lyrics, and add words to that music that praises God. Could we play that kind of music in the church.
He said "I would suppose so". He acknowledged that that kind of music would not fly in our church, but he would have no problem with it.
There was so much that was said by him that I disagree with.
Please let me have your thoughts.
Pardon the mistakes. I rushed through this.
I wish I recorded it. In brief, our topics varied, but I can say this. Although he is easy to talk to, and he is a super duper guy, (I told him that as well), trying to make a point with him is impossible.
Example, he asked me "What makes churches split, why do people have differences" something like that. I answered by saying, people have different ways of interpreting the Bible. Different taste etc. (Something like that. Not the exact wording).
One of my examples was based on 1 Cor 14. About the head covering. I told him people interpret these verses in different ways. The Bible forbids women from praying without having the heads covered. He said our church does it all the time. He then said, "When (Name deleted) is praying and all heads in the congregation are bowed, aren't the women praying in silence with their heads uncovered? We went on about that.
We talked about how men pray and how they should not have their heads covered according to 1 Cor. 14. He told me that Jesus had his head covered. I was surprised to hear that. I asked for scripture. He said "Jesus had a crown of thorns". I told him that that was an involuntary thing that occurred. He had no choice. We talked about men with long hair. He said that was a cultural thing that does not apply today.
Have you ever tried to catch a snake by the throat? Just when you think you can place the snake in the bag, he slips out and is found in the other side of the room.
Not calling the youth pastor a snake, but when you are trying to make a point, he will throw a monkey wrench in the argument.
I can give you many examples of this concerning our conversation last night.
He told me that if he had it his way, the music he plays now would be cranked up ten times, to the point where the bricks on the church walls would crack.
We talked about ear rings, (he wears them to show his loyalty to God as the slaves in Lev (OT) showed their love to their slave masters. He said he would show me scripture on this.
He said he would get a tattoo if he did not have health concerns. (No he is not getting a tattoo.).
"Music is objectionable" Music itself has no morality. Its the lyrics that make music good or bad he said.
I asked him if that's the case, can we take the most wild type of music, (dearth Vader like, black Sabbath) kind of heavy metal hard rock, can we take that and remove the lyrics, and add words to that music that praises God. Could we play that kind of music in the church.
He said "I would suppose so". He acknowledged that that kind of music would not fly in our church, but he would have no problem with it.
There was so much that was said by him that I disagree with.
Please let me have your thoughts.
Pardon the mistakes. I rushed through this.