This just makes me twitch...

[tractsforchrist]

This website is for the Christian who is obeying God's call to come out of the falling away church and become an overcomer who will keep Jesus' works until the end. This is the remnant church? the church that is standing in the evil day. Obeying God in this commission includes mentioning names and exposing the tactics of those who are fueling the falling away of the church from the faith of Jesus. We have been commanded to expose the false doctrines in Tim LaHaye's writings and the Left Behind series as well as other practices and teachings in the church that are contrary to sound doctrine. Other topics include the true gospel vs. the false gospel, the planned satanic infiltration into the church; false teachings about Satan in Jim Pappas' Christiana: The Pilgrim's Progress Part II, ways a Christians can be harmed by Satan and his followers and what to do about it, the New Age infiltration of the church; Miracle II products; the New Age gospel of Stewart Best, why rock music is unholy, Jesus' promise of a post-tribulation rapture, propaganda techniques used to influence Christians' doctrinal beliefs, witchcraft in the Harry Potter books, Tim LaHaye's false teachings about the mark of the beast, scripture-twisting in the Tim LaHaye Prophecy Study Bible: King James, walking after the flesh vs. walking in the Spirit; Christian liberty vs. license to sin; home histories of godly saints; spiritual authority; Bible deliverance from evil spirits; fasting and praying; satanic markings on the work of professed Christians, the various ways Satan's servants work to try to spiritually destroy Christians.



http://www.heavensoft.com/current_world_events.htm

This website is for the Christian who is obeying God's call to come out of the falling away church and become an overcomer who will keep Jesus' works until the end. This is the remnant church?
That should give warning flags when they say something about remnant church. (I am not talking that there will be a great falling away, but you will understand in a moment...)
the church that is standing in the evil day. Obeying God in this commission includes mentioning names and exposing the tactics of those who are fueling the falling away of the church from the faith of Jesus.
No problem there....

We have been commanded to expose the false doctrines in Tim LaHaye's writings and the teachings and the Left Behind series as well as other practices and teachings in the church that are contrary to sound doctrine.
Now they done it..... :doh

Other topics include the true gospel vs. the false gospel,
Edited to pick this little gem out...... Did not catch this in my writing though my reading.... 3rd red flag............ 3 strikes your out........



the planned satanic infiltration into the church; false teachings about Satan in Jim Pappas' Christiana: The Pilgrim's Progress Part II, ways a Christians can be harmed by Satan and his followers and what to do about it, the New Age infiltration of the church; Miracle II products; the New Age gospel of Stewart Best,
I'm not so sure about this one..........


why rock music is unholy,

ahhh..... Another red flag.... we can just twitch at this for a second...
:twitch


Jesus' promise of a post-tribulation rapture, propaganda techniques used to influence Christians' doctrinal beliefs

Propaganda techniques????? How is the rapture affecting Christian doctrine.
:confused
My thought that it did not really matter if it was post or pre (I'm a pre so do not think I am advocating a post) that you were a Christian either way....... Through death or rapture..... Why would this message be satanic?
:confused

witchcraft in the Harry Potter books, Again no problem there...


Tim LaHaye's false teachings about the mark of the beast, scripture-twisting in the Tim LaHaye Prophecy Study Bible:
King James,
My understanding is that Tim LaHaye never declares himself to be a scholar or a prophetic, he says that he just writes based on scripture and the pre-trib rapture

walking after the flesh vs. walking in the Spirit; Christian liberty vs. license to sin;
Nothing wrong...........

home histories of godly saints; spiritual authority; Bible deliverance from evil spirits; fasting and praying; satanic markings on the work of professed Christians, the various ways Satan's servants work to try to spiritually destroy Christians.


*twitch* *twitch* *twitch*

:twitch :twitch :twitch

[Elizabeth_S]

Propaganda techniques????? How is the rapture affecting Christian doctrine.

My thought that it did not really matter if it was post or pre (I'm a pre so do not think I am advocating a post) that you were a Christian either way....... Through death or rapture..... Why would this message be satanic?

From the threads I have seen here in RDD forum, you will get the impression that post trib believers think that pre trib is evil teaching and those who belive it are hell bound losers.

They sound just like the Catholics who come here and tell us we are all going to fry for not being Catholic.:twitch

The gist I get from post trib posts are they are going to fix you/me as a christian and make you one again, once you believe that it is a post trib rapture (no rapture, the posties are talking about the 2nd coming), then you can go to heaven, after you earn your salvation through being tortured (if you do not suffer horribly in any lifetime, you are not going to heaven, you didn't earn your right to be children of God until you suffer and suffer and sit at your computer and preach suffering is necessary to get to heaven).

From what I have seen in postie threads anyway.

That ought to fire up a few. :yell :laugh

[cindyw]

Originally posted by Elizabeth_S
From the threads I have seen here in RDD forum, you will get the impression that post trib believers think those who belive it (pre-trib)are hell bound losers.


:tsk

Edited to clarify: The above statement is NOT what this Postie or others I know believe...........

[yankeedownsouth]

Originally posted by Elizabeth_S
From the threads I have seen here in RDD forum, you will get the impression that post trib believers think that pre trib is evil teaching and those who belive it are hell bound losers.

The gist I get from post trib posts are they are going to fix you/me as a christian and make you one again, once you believe that it is a post trib rapture (no rapture, the posties are talking about the 2nd coming), then you can go to heaven, after you earn your salvation through being tortured (if you do not suffer horribly in any lifetime, you are not going to heaven, you didn't earn your right to be children of God until you suffer and suffer and sit at your computer and preach suffering is necessary to get to heaven).



I'm sorry, but I totally disagree with this.

As a postie, I've NEVER thought this about any pre-tribber, either on this board or in real life. I've been hanging out in the RDD discussion forum since I came here, and I've rarely ever seen this attitude in any posters, and those that have had this attitude have been quickly corrected. Rapture doctrine is not a salvation issue.

:tsk :tsk

[tractsforchrist]

Remember this is coming from a KJVO site........................... I get weary of that....... so I think those kind of post-tribbers are the ones that think you are going to hell if you believe in pre-trib. I still don't see whats wrong in believing a pre or post, both can be scriptually argued even though I am a definite pre

[cindyw]

Originally posted by tractsforchrist
Remember this is coming from a KJVO site........................... I get weary of that....... so I think those kind of post-tribbers are the ones that think you are going to hell if you believe in pre-trib.

What about the KJVO'ers who are pre-trib? Do they think Posties are going to hell? :pound :P:

[KrispyKritter]

I'm pan-trib... I figure it will all pan out!

Pray for pre, prepare for post!

I do have pre-trib leanings tho...

[Average Joey]

Originally posted by KrispyKritter
I'm pan-trib... I figure it will all pan out!

Pray for pre, prepare for post!

I do have pre-trib leanings tho...

Same here,but I prefer the term May-tag milleneist.Right now I am leaning toward the A-Milliniest view.Of course that could change over time.

Much of what that website said was some of the same things people on this board are guilty of.To much trust is put into their own beliefs of the endtimes.If anybody will do a thorough study on all the beliefs of the endtimes you will see they all have good arguements.

Hey,if you have ever held on to each belief before you would have been right at least once.

My advice.Don`t get bent out of shape if someone doesn`t believe what you do about the rapture.That person who owns that website does that and some people on this board do that too.We need to set better examples.It`s the gospel that counts for salvation.God bless you all.:thumb

[Rebecki]

::: whew ::: They didn't list The Lord of the Rings in that list. I guess I'm safe then.

:heh ;):

[Average Joey]

Originally posted by Rebecki
::: whew ::: They didn't list The Lord of the Rings in that list. I guess I'm safe then.

:heh ;):

Fan here too.Can`t hardly wait for Return of the King. :thumb

[onsolidrock]

why rock music is unholy,

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ahhh..... Another red flag.... we can just twitch at this for a second...

I agree with the statement that rock music is unholy. Why the red flag?

[tractsforchrist]

I'm sorry that is a personal red flag... I think they are talking about christian rock when I went to the site. You might think it is unholy but I should of mentioned that they were talking about christian rock. Of course you might also mean that is red flag too. I will just have to agree to disagree then with that statement... :smile

They think that one of the most unholiest thing to bring into the church was christian contemperary music or christian church. They call it the satanic and pagan.

I cannot personally stand hymns (but this is me, I am not saying hymnals is bad just like I would say that playing soccer is not my taste) partially because I grew up in the RCC....

[New Hope]

My personal oppinion on music in general is if it's giving glory to God, then I don't care if it's rock, rap, country, hymns, or gospel, I'll listen to it. :):

YBIC,
Justin

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by tractsforchrist
Remember this is coming from a KJVO site........................... I get weary of that....... so I think those kind of post-tribbers are the ones that think you are going to hell if you believe in pre-trib. I still don't see whats wrong in believing a pre or post, both can be scriptually argued even though I am a definite pre tee hee!

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Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
On a Bulletin board that says:

This is an independent, fundamental Baptist
discussion board that
accepts the King James Bible (AV 1611) as
the perfect word of God
and the final authority in all matters
of faith and practice.

I posted this:

Romanes X:9 (KJV1611):

That if thou shalt confesse with
thy mouth the Lord Iesus, and shalt
beleeue in thing heart, that God hath
raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saued.

It was edited out with this note:

"Note: Quotations from all other Bibles deleted
by the administrator."

The quote of the same verse from KJV1873 was
allowed to remain.

Tee hee, a KJB1611 site that
doesn't accept quotes from
the KJV1611. Tee hee.

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Dear Mr. Edwards,

Laugh now while you have the chance.
You came to our discussion board knowing
our stand on the King James Bible and
yet you decided to stir up a little trouble.
You quoted Romans 10:9 from many different
bible versions trying to prove that
they all stated the same thing.
In the middle you used King James Bibles
from 1611, 1769, and 1873 trying to
make it look like they were all different.
The deletion was to get rid of your redundancy
as well as your quotes from modern versions.
So laugh all you want to because
I am banning you from our board.

/name surpressed/

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Tee hee, a KJB1611 site that
bans KJV1611 quoters ???

[Mindenite]

Yeah, music itself cannot be unholy. Satan is associated with a lot of things, snakes, numbers, but does he have a song? I didn't think he did (though it would be closer to country I imagine :pound ). It is the words and such that make the songs unholy but then not all of any genre would be wholly bad since there are usually good people in all forms of music.

[toddlemom]

I'm going to have to dig through my books, but if I recall, John Bunyan wrote Christiana to tell what happened to Pilgrim's wife, from Pilgrim's Progress. Yeah, I think John Bunyan was kind of iffy, don't you all? :rolleyes

YSIC
Ann

PS ... I use King James but that's just a personal thing. When I took 4 years to "read through the Bible in a year" ... some things you just gotta read in NIV. Ezekiel is tough sledding no matter what and the NIV made it easier to slog through!

[joyttw]

I just want to echo cindyw and yankeedownsouth's reply to Elizabeth S. Those comments about posties were totally uncalled for :nono and obviously an over-generalization, as you have at least three of us here who do NOT think pretribbers are evil!

[Destiny]

I just want to echo cindyw and yankeedownsouth's reply to Elizabeth S. Those comments about posties were totally uncalled for and obviously an over-generalization, as you have at least three of us here who do NOT think pretribbers are evil!

:thumb Same here.

[halfpint]

"That ought to fire up a few".......
Nope. Not at all. Most Christians are used to being taken out of context and having words put in their mouths and being misunderstood, regardless of their views on the rapture. Fired up? Doubtful.
I won't defend my stance on this matter as I have no idea yet what will happen. But I will never tell anyone they are going to hell. And I don't think anyone here has done that.
And what if a catholic has accepted Jesus into his heart but hasn't grown enough to leave the church? Is he hell-bound? God won't give him a chance?
I believe the scripture says ALL who are called His, ALL who believe and have not seen, ALL who have been saved by His blood and believe on Him WILL NOT PERISH....doesn't say a thing a pre, post, mid, or anything else.
I'll let God be the judge.
Peace.

[Chronus]

Those comments about posties were totally uncalled for and obviously an over-generalization, as you have at least three of us here who do NOT think pretribbers are evil!

Make that . . . five of us (I see Destiny's post). In fact, I never even heard of such a thing until Elizabeth mentioned it.