How do you interpret Luke 9:27?

[Boomer]

We are studying Luke in Bible class. This verse which reads:

B]I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God[/B]

comes after Peter's confession that Jesus is the Christ and before the Transfiguration. Since my church is amillennial, this verse was completely passed over in our study materials. We went from v25 directly to v28. It seems that anything that is of a prophetic nature is ignored. Being premillennial in an amillennial church, I tend to look at things differently.

I want to bring this passage to my instructor's attention. I need some suggestions on what to say.

[zion]

first of all ask him why he missed out those verses, and then ask him if "Was it because in the 3 gospels that Jesus makes that remark, it is always followed by the Transfiguration account?"

[Seraphiel]

I take it as Jesus talking about the rapture.

[tenderheart2]

I don't know a whole lot about Amillennial, but is there some belief that we are living in the millennium now? Because if that's the case there would be alot of questions I'd have ask this.

But as far as Lk 9:24 Peter, James and John got a preview so to speak of Jesus in all his power and majesty. 2 peter 1:16 says, "...when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty."

Lk 9:27 was fulfilled in v32.

What they witnessed is what the world will see when Christ comes to set up his kingdom during the millennial reign.

Kim

[BHiles]

John saw the kingdom of God prior to his death as accounted for in Revelation

[Boomer]

tenderheart2

Yes, amil believes we are in the millennium now. This goes so contrary to Scripture that I just can't figure it out. :confused

I think I see now that Lk 9:27 was fulfilled in v32 during the Transfiguration thanks to your reference to 2 Peter 1:16-18. Peter admits to seeing Jesus' glory. But is this glory the same thing as the Kingdom of God which are the words Jesus uses? Sorry I'm so confused here. :confused

"What they witnessed is what the world will see when Christ comes to set up his kingdom during the millennial reign." I think you are right here too.

[tenderheart2]

Well, the kingdom of heaven is a part of the kingdom of God. However, the kingdom of heaven is an earthly kingdom and is limited, it will end after the 1,000 year reign. Some things can't be fully recieved from the kingdom of God until we receive our glorified bodies.



Hope I didn't just confuse you even more.

:confused :wacko :freaked

Kim

[annie10]

I always thought that verse referred to Jesus resurrected. They say him in his Glory, or resurrected body.

They touched, Him, He ate with them.

Just my opinion!!!

[Jany]

"Some will not see death until they see the kingdom of God."

I understand this as a reference to the preview of glory the disciples get in the transfiguration, an event recorded in verses 28-36. The arrival of the kingdom also is made visible in Jesus' current ministry.

The benefits of promise are distributed in Acts 2 (Lk 24:49 with Acts 2:30-36). So Jesus has in view both the preview of total glory and the initial arrival of promise as a result of his ministry. Those disciples who were present at the transfiguration, as well as those who shared in Pentecost, shared in the sneak preview of the kingdom's arrival before they "saw death." http://www.maverickreport.com/images/smilies/goldfish.gif <><

[Boomer]

Jany

Thanks. That clears things up a little. I think your last sentance says it well.

Boomer

[ddlewis86]

Originally posted by BHiles
John saw the kingdom of God prior to his death as accounted for in Revelation

Gets my vote. :thumb

[chrislb]

couple of options (already mentioned) summed up and organized

1) Jesus stated that his kingdom was not of this world.
Could that passage have been fulfilled at pentacost when the spiritual kingdom came and lived inside believers?

2) Transfiguration

3) John was caught up into paradise to witness the glorified Christ and his second coming.

These are the three most popular views. The first is a spiritual fulfillment, while the latter a physical fulfillment of the verses.

[Lonewolf7]

Originally posted by Boomer
We are studying Luke in Bible class. This verse which reads:

B]I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God



I want to bring this passage to my instructor's attention. I need some suggestions on what to say. [/B]
Matthew 16:28
I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom

John 21
20Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, "Lord, who is going to betray you?") 21When Peter saw him, he asked, "Lord, what about him?"
22Jesus answered, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me."

Revelation 1
9I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10On the Lord's Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

Revelation 19
11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter."[1] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 22:8
I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me.

[JesusMyWisdom]

This is the same passage at Matthew 16:28. Go back to Matthew 16:19 where Jesus tells Peter he WILL (future tense) give him the keys to the Kingdom.

Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, "Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?" And Jesus said, "I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN." (Mark 14:61-62).

JesusMyWisdom

[Boomer]

The answers were all very good. You may find this interesting....the class was held last night. The written study materials we had to work with, which are in somewhat of a question and answer format, completely skipped over verse 27. That's why I asked this question in the first place. Why? I think it is because this could be a controversial question relating to endtimes, and they didn't want to go there.

Surprisingly, my instructor noticed the omission and we had a discussion on it anyway. Most people thought it only referred to the Transfiguration, but the instructor thought the structure of v27 indicated a longer time period than just eight days. When I mentioned John seeing Jesus in His glory when heaven opened in Revelation, he said that v27 used the term "most" and John was just one person. However, combining it with Pentecost seemed to make the most sense. All in all, I'm still not really sure just what the final concensus was. :confused

Boomer

[happyhiker]

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