nudity!

[m0use]

lots of views:x
i dont think its cool, but i dont have an argument against it coz my friends say 'adam and eve were so we can be'. whats your thoughts?

thakns

[houseparent]

Not sure what you're asking here? Do you mean in movies? Nudist colonies?

Jesus told us not to even look upon a woman in lust. I'm sure he was talking about CLOTHED women!

Any man who says he can look upon naked women and not lust is lying IMO.

[antsinmypants]

I will comment this later when I am at home.

I've some verses you should consider.

:thumb

[m0use]

any kind of nudity. i have christian friends that will just um "pull it out" in bible study. i tell them off but they just dont get it. (not while we are doing the study but before or after when we are just fooling around). they say they would walk around nekid if it wasnt illegal. wasnt there some big deal about noah being naked n all?

[houseparent]

i have christian friends that will just um "pull it out" in bible study. :twitch :eek :freaked

[Rom831]

They were naked before the fall, yes. And what happened after the fall?

7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.
8 They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
9 Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?"
10 He said, "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself."
11 And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"
12 The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate."

21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.

Why? Because we gained the knowledge of good and evil and looking upon each other naked, knew evil and were ashamed. So GOD gave us clothing. Clothing is a gift from God to help keep us from evil, even in thought. Should we ignore another of God's gifts?

Bless...ArtS

[m0use]

yeh they are idiots, i had to leave last week. i couldnt take it.

excellent, thank you:):

[glorymj]

Originally posted by m0use
i have christian friends that will just um "pull it out" in bible study. er.. that's not something you see every day. :freaked :twitch

[m0use]

no youre right.. every wednesday

[glorymj]

They seriously get nude right in front of you whether you want them to or not?? :eek

[Xtreme]

Originally posted by m0use
yeh they are idiots, i had to leave last week. i couldnt take it.


you should probably make that permanent. there are actualy laws against exposure like that. i hate to think what kind of Bible study that is...

disgusting

[Hootmon]

There are all sorts of scripture that prohibit 'uncovering nakedness'.

It definately wasnt considered an appropriate thing to do outside of the marriage bed.

[CaptainRoboT2]

any kind of nudity. i have christian friends that will just um "pull it out" in bible study. i tell them off but they just dont get it. (not while we are doing the study but before or after when we are just fooling around). they say they would walk around nekid if it wasnt illegal. wasnt there some big deal about noah being naked n all?

:twitch :freaked :twitch

Well that's just lovely.

[m0use]

mhm i cant stand it.

another thing they would say was 'its all attached- its all skin!' <-- showed me who i was dealing with.:tsk

i cant find any verses to give them tho. which makes it hard to explain to them.

[Medic911]

i have christian friends that will just um "pull it out" in bible study.

Erm.... I'd find a new Bible study.

[antsinmypants]

In Leviticus, I believe-- there are several rules about whose nakedness you cannot uncover...


Whose you can : Your wife/husband, and only when married ; Your kids- but only when changing diapers... or that sort of thing.

Also:


Lev 18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover [their] nakedness: I [am] the LORD.


Gen 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
Gen 9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid [it] upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces [were] backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
Gen 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
Gen 9:25 And he said, Cursed [be] Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
Gen 9:26 And he said, Blessed [be] the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
Gen 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

[m0use]

hah yeh well they are just all friends we known for yrs at school n stuff
they are all like 17-18 so yeh:wacko

[Joshua's Gen]

Family naked scriptures, heh

Leviticus 18:6 None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 18:7 The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

Leviticus 18:8 The nakedness of thy father's wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father's nakedness.

Leviticus 18:9 The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.

Leviticus 18:10 The nakedness of thy son's daughter, or of thy daughter's daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.

Leviticus 18:11 The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

Leviticus 18:12 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister: she is thy father's near kinswoman.

Leviticus 18:13 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister: for she is thy mother's near kinswoman.

Leviticus 18:14 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father's brother, thou shalt not approach to his wife: she is thine aunt.

Leviticus 18:15 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy daughter in law: she is thy son's wife; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness.

Leviticus 18:16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.

Leviticus 18:17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter, neither shalt thou take her son's daughter, or her daughter's daughter, to uncover her nakedness; for they are her near kinswomen: it is wickedness.

Leviticus 18:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex her, to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life time.

Leviticus 18:19 Also thou shalt not approach unto a woman to uncover her nakedness, as long as she is put apart for her uncleanness.

Leviticus 20:18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.

Leviticus 20:19 And thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, nor of thy father's sister: for he uncovereth his near kin: they shall bear their iniquity.

[Crescendo]

No question this is odd behavior in a western culture. Nudity is an uncomfortable thing for most of America and Europe. Not that its my thing but would we require subsaharan Africans cover themselves before they can attend a service, etc by a missionary? How western does a 'native' have to become before they are accepted?

I'm getting off track here. Sorry. At a Wednesday Bible study, I'd agree that this is completely inappropriate.

[m0use]

well its getting quiet popular here when its all guys and they think its heaps funny.:(:

[Crescendo]

Perhaps maturity will take over one day and they'll see that its not humorous. I would suggest perhaps inviting a church elder or older leader of some sort to sit in with the group and act as a mentor for these young men.

[antsinmypants]

in agreement with Crecendo.

You need an older adult in there to help out, and so you can atleast have another witness as to what is going on.

[LisaAnn]

1 Timothy 2:9
I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,

If you go to biblegateway.com and type in nakedness, naked, and modesty you will find all sorts of verses that show without a doubt that it is considered shameful in the Bible.


This Bible group should be ashamed of itself! It sounds like they are using the Bible and the name of the Lord to get together and do things that are spelled out in scripture as shameful. :tsk Find a new group!

[cameron222]

I have a theory....but its just that....a theory. I believe after the fall Adam and Eve were given animal bodies like we have today and they were to be covered because of the shame that it brought on mankind.

In the book of Enoch......not one of the insopired books of the Bible by the way....it says that Adam and Eve were given digestive organs after the fall. Apparently a bodily change took place.

But thats just a hunch......one day we will have new resurrection bodies......maybe like the ones we had before the fall.....could be!!

[SeaDreamer]

And here parents were feeling good about their kids going to Bible study. :freaked

[m0use]

lol, sweet thanks guys very helpful..

yeh well they dont get naked they just um like i said pull it out... and see whos biggest:x

but there is a few other dudes that hate it aswell they just do say anything

[antsinmypants]

Mouse, if this is a college/uni or church/congregational sponsored bible study- you need elders there, or the ones who have been there and seen this, and don't approve, need to go to those elders and complain.

You also need to speak up FIRST and use your biblical knowledge on nudity (that you've no doubt learnt now ;):) and tell them that this is NOT acceptable behavior for believers!

[michelle95]

You're really not kidding?

[m0use]

Originally posted by michelle95
You're really not kidding?
lol nope..

antsinmypants: thanks alot will do. ive really been thinking about leaving tho coz tehy dont like to teach knowledge. just talk about saving saving saving. thats ok but there is only so much written about saving ppl

[houseparent]

They only teach about saving?

Hmmmmmm

While that sounds great it makes me wonder.

I know many Christians who believe "getting saved" is all that is needed. (Think fire insurance).

I am beginning to believe that the enemy is using this silly notion to mislead an entire generation!

Look at what some in your study are doing for an example of what I am talkin about! Would someone truely respectful of their "saved" condition act in such a way?

I suspect they believe that they are "saved" so why not?

You and they are in my prayers my friend. God bless!

[m0use]

thanks alot. i have spoken to the leader and one of my best mates did, coz we believe the same thing. he says look at the guys in the bible they knew it all and they thought they were really good blah blah and they got nothing from it. (the church leaders or whatever im not sure) and i told him the verse that says be ready fro any questions. and hes like so your going to try and learn it all just incase someone asks you a question?
:tsk blah!

[houseparent]

he says look at the guys in the bible they knew it all and they thought they were really good blah blah and they got nothing from it.

:eek

Run away as fast as you can!

[m0use]

yeh
someone posted this:
http://www.crossroad.to/News/Church/Klenck3.html

i kept it coz its exactally my church. they are always asking for money and making ppl sign faith cards on how much they will give by the end of the yr. trhey force ppl into groups and camps and stuff - each person thinks they are going to change the world they all seem to be saving ppl because they like the idea of all these ppl UNDER them. thats what they say
Pastor > youth pastor > my leade > me > etc.ect..
they talk how tehy want to get t heaven and Jesus say 'oh man i just had 20 of your guys in here' (judgement day) and then everyone cheers them.??? wtfork is that? they want to save ppl so tehy are looked at as a hero. when its our job anyways. they always keep numbers and worry about how many numbers they have and how many they save. some ppl say the more they save the more money they get in the offering. they do a talk before the offering and make everyone feel guilty and give with guilt. but they all give because they want more back, thats there main focus. 'give and you will get 10 time more back from God' i dont think its really giving then is it? its more like they are buying it. they also try and tell me how to worship. i said if i dont want to dance around i shouldnt be made to. its about where your heart is not where yoru hands are. my leader said (this is unbelievable): its so the ppl behind you will see you and do it aswell. and if i dont do it they wont get inspired..

:twitch

iuno ive been annoyed at the church for a while. but they all think there is a problem with me for going 'against the church'. we all have a different beliefs n stuff, and i dont care about the little things, i tell them what i believe and if they dont want to that ok. but if they dont agree with what i say. they will force it onto me what they think is right. they will treat us like we are really bad sinners. 'dont worry man ive been threw that kinda rough stage'
'we all have our ups and downs'
'i was like you once'
:frusty

i was talking to my 'leader' (not really my leader hto. i know more then him and hes only been a christian 3 yrs all he really knows is the Jesus story) he was going on about how i have to be a leader and how cool it is to have my own disciples. i told him that when it says go and make disciples that it isnt talking about our own disiples its talking about disciples of jesus. thats when we went on about how he has 1000s of ppl under him and how hes changing the world. i said we all all brothers not leaders. but coz he thinks hes my leader he wont listen to me.:tsk


ah well. i get annoyed at this stuff.

</vent> lol

[BHiles]

Because we are made in God's image the body of a person is sacred and holy(set apart). After the fall the body was still set apart as the image of God now exposed to sin. The image of God that has been set apart within man must be protected from exposure just as God does not expose Himself to sinful man. There is something concerning the body that I believe we do not understand but because we are made in God's image we are to protect it from imodesty and nakedness. We as Christians are further told that we are not only made in His image but we are also His temple. For the image of God and the Temple of God to be exposed to anyone other than ones self (ie mate) would degradate the image of God that we were created in and place exposure to God's holy temple. God never allowed Himself exposure to man we should not either.

The Body is holy and sacred made in God's image. It is not for anyone else to look upon. It is holy unto God and their mate at marriage. Nakedness throughout the Bible after the fall in all its forms was associated with wickedness. People need to be taught of this holiness so that they take care of and avoid all the pitfalls of bodily desecration of the image of God that has been imprinted upon them.

[duckdogger]

Non-husband wife nudity is very much like standing in the middle of a busy interstate highway. Sooner or later, something bad is going to happen and you will be powerless to stop it.

[toddlemom]

Praying for you, dude. Keep reading your Bible and pray that God's Holy Spirit will open your eyes to the riches of it!

Folks, if Mouse is in Oz, there might not be a whole lot of other churches for him to choose from ... we really need to be praying for him and his mates that his church situation gets turned around!

YSIC
Ann

[m0use]

THANKS ALOT!! you are all so much help. there is a few churchs around (anglicans,baptists) the one im at is a penicostal kinda church... i havnt been to many. i will start to look for a new one. my friend feels the same aswell. im also starting a biblestudy with some other friends they are good christian guys, not into that other stuff.. & a few guys from my cell group want to make a new bible study aswell.. its pretty cool.

thanks again guys!!!!:angel