Alternative Healing ????????????

[yankeedownsouth]

I'm wondering if anyone has any experience with alternative healing. One of the ladies in my home team has recently been trained in an alternative healing method that she says is "Eastern." I didn't listen very closely, but she was talking about polarity therapy, herbalism, energy balancing. She explained some other things, but I have to admit I kinda tuned it out because it felt really strange to me.

Now I'm starting to think that, rather than just being strange, it may be dangerous stuff for a Christian to dabble in. I know she's already "treated" a number of people in our home team. She's wanting to make a business of this treatment.

I've been doing a little reading on watchman.org, and what I've read so far is not encouraging.

I was just hoping to hear some other's opinions...

[RJs here]

it can go to one extreme or the other.

Actually I am a great proponet of "alternative" therapies.....

However, I figure it's "my call" on WHAT EXACTLY I want that "alternative therapy" to be!!


We discussed this in length some time ago..... if only I could recall the name of that thread, I'd dig it up for you.

[antsinmypants]

John Ankerbert and John Weldon have a book out on Alternative and Herbal healings...

and you can read some on it at www.ankerberg.com

[BarbT]

ants,

Can you direct me how to access the Ankerberg article? The webpage doesn't refer to this book and nothing came up when I did a search.

Thanks.:):

[Mercy4Me]

While some things like herbal remedies etc are okay, I think we really need to be careful of the alternative medicine, simply because of the things that come with it....like New Age philosophies and practices.

The whole "energy balancing" would have made me run.
I think things like this can suck a Christian into areas and religions they shouldnt be in, under the guise of medicine, or relaxation etc.

[GloryBound]

In Genesis, God says He gave us herbs for medicine. But run away fast from the other stuff.

[antsinmypants]

Originally posted by BarbT
ants,

Can you direct me how to access the Ankerberg article? The webpage doesn't refer to this book and nothing came up when I did a search.

Thanks.:):


The Facts on Holistic Health and the New Medicine (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0890819734/qid=1061905476/sr=1-17/ref=sr_1_17/102-3173909-7630546?v=glance&s=books)


The Facts on the New Age Movement (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0890817111/qid=1061905513/sr=1-28/ref=sr_1_28/102-3173909-7630546?v=glance&s=books)

Ankerberg Articles Database (http://ankerberg.com/articles.html)


:wave

[RJs here]

perhaps should have made myself more clear.....


I certainly would not side step with all the "voodu things" that some ahem, "healers" get into.


But I *WOULD* choose good nutrition ANY DAY over chemo & radiation if I had cancer!!


Interesting that even many doctors themselves REFUSE chemo -- cuz they know first hand the POISON that it is...... and Dr. Patrick Quillen (one of my fav. nutritionists) reports that actually chemo kills more ppl than the cancer itself does!!


Now ~ about this "energy balancing" ~ folks, I know that SOUNDS "New Age" ~ but if it's what I think it is -- it's nothing to be alarmed about!!!!

I've gone to a CHRISTIAN nutritionist before & had this done. He had Scripture all over his office. {Pretenders would not want Scripture all around them, ya' know!} Plus, he & his family go to my church.


Anyway -- if you're interested in what I think this energy balancing could be referring to..... check out this link:

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96776&perpage=25&pagenumber=1


and see my post ~ which is post #25.


:wave

[mrsppmrxky]

Originally posted by RJs here
I've gone to a CHRISTIAN nutritionist before & had this done. He had Scripture all over his office. {Pretenders would not want Scripture all around them, ya' know!} Plus, he & his family go to my church. :wave [/B]

RJs, that is not necessarily true. Look at your WOF leaders that are wolves in sheeps clothing. They have scripture and spout scripture. Even the devil can quote scripture into the face of Jesus.

Just be careful.

[Ajani]

I am very much a proponant of alternative remedies. I am into "wholistic" healing, rather than "holistic" healing (the former being "treating the entire body, rather than the symptom, and the latter often being associated with new age).

God gave us herbs and minerals and vitamins to care for us.

The things that I avoid are things with a spiritual base, like channeling and angel therapies and such. Those things are designed to deceive, but fall under the blanket term "alternative."

[RJs here]

Understand what you are saying Mrs. P ~ but trust me, I KNOW THIS MAN!!!


thanks for your concern though.


Believe me folks -- I follow HS direction to keep me OUT of the way of ANY New Age folks!!!!


Health food store where I have to shop -- due to extreme food allergies -- unfortunately has a lot of New Age junk in there.....


And I wouldn't DARE let one of those massures /sp?? touch my neck & give me a neck/head massage ~ not on your life!!

I'm VERY careful about stuff like that -- would adamently REFUSE to let any New Age person "lay hands" on me!! :B:


But I agree w/the "be careful" part though.


Now -- have any of you taken the time to read the thread I gave? It's quite lengthy ~ but you might actually learn something! It's definitely worth the read IMO!!


IMO ~ I'm not saying *ALL* medical doctors are bad either -- BUT, I've been around the block enough times to know that for some, bottom line -- it's all about money!!! :wof

Some don't care whether you get well or not -- just as long as the pharmaceutical co's keep on paying for their LUXURIOUS family vacations!! :wof ....{which ultimately, *YOU* pay for -- when you purchase the VERY EXPENSIVE prescribed medications -- which, may or may NOT really be needed!!}


Have another interesting link I'll gladly share w/anyone who PM's me for it {can't post it here -- as it's a link to another msg. board} It's the same one I sent you earlier, yankee.....

About the pros and cons of using doctors or nutritionists.....

[antsinmypants]

I read your reply on the thread you posted.

I still use my mom's word of caution: Be careful.

Alot of the homeopathic remedies get into the new age, and it's all so subtle- that it slips in through the church, or through the home study groups etc.. and no one knows any better - to steer clear.

Any Crystal healings, most of the "energy" reading stuff..

The - oh what's it called? - the gurus that look in your eyes and see all your illnesses.. and all that stuff..

Some of the Herbists..


Really you guys- you have to be super super super careful.

Alot of the Reike healing stuff and even Wiccan and Druidic healing methods have crept into the church and home bible study groups and even in the Messianic circles... and all of it - every last bit of it is harmful.

You also have to be careful with TTouch and Massage therapies and acupuncture...

There is some good, but enough bad- that you can end up getting sucked up into the bad and blinded by it.

When subjects like this do pop up, There are several scriptures that come to mind-- and all of them saying "Avoid all appearance of evil".

:wave

[RJs here]

But did you read the ENTIRE thread, ants???


All that bio test was -- was going into my MD/nutritionist CHRISTIAN doctor's office.... and having an allergy test (which I put MORE STOCK in ANY DAY OF THE WEEK over the rast and/or scratch tests.....)

{I've had the others done, too, btw....}


and with this bio test, they gently squeezed on my finger while noting the results on the computer monitor!!!


**THAT WAS IT!!**


No gurus.....


NO CRYSTALS......


No gazing into my eyeballs to stare at my pupils!!..... :freaked



Funny how this works both ways -- we all realize that the New Agers are into it -- but when Christians are interested in being healed *NATURALLY* ~ then ppl automatically *ASSUME* we, too, are interested in New Age stuff!! :B:

Nothing could be FURTHER from the truth!!!!


I for one -- greatly wish there was a CHRISTIAN health food store in my area. But there's not.

In fact, I would safely bet there aren't MANY "Christian" health food stores in the whole country -- cuz the New Agers have them all wrapped up.


A shame that all the "good stuff" satan has claimed for himself, too!! :mad


But I'll STILL take natural healing ANY DAY over the poisons that doctors recommend.

Did you know when you decide to take chemo -- it kills not only the "bad cancer cells" ~ but the GOOD cells, TOO!!!??


It's nothing more than POISON!!!!


The Word says, "Behold, I give you every GREEN PLANT...."


it does NOT say,..... "Behold, I give you chemotherapy to POISON your temple with....."

:D: :wacko :nod

[GraceX3]

I've been treated for all of my allergies with the BioSet that RJ talks about in the other thread.

Weird, yep. I really thought so after my first treatments. It's exposing your body to allergans and treating them with acu-pressure instead of needles.

It works :thumb My chiropractor and I are both Christian and have some enjoyable and learning discussions when I get treated.

I find BioSet and acupressure here weird but I also find a pill that can fix emotions weird. :nod

Didn't people initially think that x-rays were evil? Seems like I remember hearing something about that.

That said, there are practioners I wouldn't go to if my life depended on it. I've met some and they have given me the creeps when they said hello. Yep, there are some, probably lots, to be avoided in this field.

I just think that throwing everything that is homeopathic out with the bathwater is a waste. Use discernment and God's word, but don't dismiss everything because it doesn't come with a Pharamcy name on it.

I am fortunate, I have a Christian health food store nearby which is run by a Christian vitamin company. My favorite supplement is created by another Christian man. All proudly proclaim Jesus as their Savior. A Christian radio station is played at the store and a lot of the supplements have Bible verses. They also have an agreement with Isreal and market supplements from Isreal to help them.

Why should the devil have claim to all of it?

YSIC,

Melanie


Just some thoughts!

YSIC,

Melanie

[Whosoever]

I had a few major health issues growing up that I won't get into, but one symptom that caused me a lot of trouble was poor blood circulation--to the point of turning blue for long periods of time. Western doctors (read: allopathic) of all sorts ran me through a battery of tests no child should experience, and finally told me "You probably won't live to see twenty-one and there's nothing we can do to help you. Go home and die." With nowhere else to turn and with much prayer, I began to see doctors versed in Eastern medicine. Not only did they get my blood circulating again, they said all my other "incurable" issues can be treated as well.

I am now regularly treated using "Eastern medicine" methods. Nutrition and root-based teas are an integral part of my life, with chiropractic care and acupuncture as needed. I believe it isn't so much which methods you use to take care of your body so much as the spirit in which you do it; never have I attributed my healing to any being other than God. I say no "healing chants", I don't worship crystal spirits. My practitioner is Taoist, yes, but it's nearly impossible where I live to find a Christian doctor who practices Eastern medicine. God sent me to the man to save and preserve my life, not to turn to mysticism.

As far as health food stores go, like others here have said, there are no Christian stores where I live. I'm stuck buying the things I need while turning a blind eye to the New Age products.

Some may disapprove of my choices, but when I remember what it felt like to be a cadaver and know how I feel now, I know God's been watching out for me. :D:


Edited for spelling. :B:

[DJHere]

Ants posted: The - oh what's it called? - the gurus that look in your eyes and see all your illnesses.. and all that stuff..

DJ replies:
This is called iridology and it works. I am a living fact of this. Many years ago I was very ill nearly died because I was misdiagnosed by not one but several doctors. They were treating the symptoms instead of finding the problem. God finally allowed us to find a doctor who told us what was wrong. Unfortunately there have been many lasting problems because of what happened so long ago. I started having problems again and the doctor said they weren't bad enough to treat. We then went to the iridologist and he told me what was wrong and gave me the herbs I needed to take care of the problem.
Now this iridologist was a youth minister and knows Jesus as his Lord and Saviour. In fact he got into iridology because his wife was diagnosed with breast cancer. There was a lady iridologist who attended their church. They used herbs to aid in the cure of her cancer. She has been cancer free many years now due to herbs and diet. So iridology does work. Not once in all the years I have gone to this man has he been wrong in what he told me or any of my family members. In fact many doctors and nurses go to him for treatment. If you need to see a doctor he will tell you so. And believe me he is a Christian. So not all natural medicine is bad.

[architectlink]

If it is alternative I think of Middle Eastern mumbo jumbo...contacting spirits, etc.

I go for Christ based healing...shun anything that is to do with earth, moon and stars. Satan can't wait to fool people with his tricks.

[PDuv]

I had been going to doctors for years trying to cure my sinus infections and other illnesses. Every time I saw the doctor, he would give me antibiotics - sometimes I only had to call and he would give me a prescription! I knew no better and did not realize that I was literally hurting myself more by taking antibiotics, until I saw a nutritionist.

Long story short, the man saved me from many years of ill health. I was literally on the verge of Liver Disease and possibly heart failure - I was in a very chronic state. He put me on a yeast free diet and many supplements (herbs and vitamins). In 3 months, I was in the best state of health than I had ever been in my whole life!

As a result of this, I wrote my senior thesis around my experience (and got an A+:D: ). I wrote about how modern and nutritional/herbal medicine can be paired. Both have their pro's and con's, but you can throw the baby out with the bath water if you disregard one or the other.

In regards to herbs in the bible, I found that the women of the bible turned to Anise, Cumin, Mint and Balm for cures (Jerimiah 51:8), Cassia (Exodus 30:22-25) for annointing oils, and Myrrh (John 19:39-40) for preparing the dead; to Gall for relieving suffering (Matthew 27:34), and Hyssop (Psalm 51:7) for purification.

To add even more fuel to the fire, the women during the 14th and 17th centuries were healers, or 'witches' (who, by the way, were burned at the stake by Christians of the day for their so-called 'witchcraft') used many herbs as remedies until they were genocided and their remedies were taken over by the modern medical practices as we know them today (Ergot for labor pain and Belladonna as an anti-spasmodic, and Digitalis in treating heart ailments).

Long story short (the thesis was 30 pages), the end result is that most of our modern medicines today are derivatives of these herbs that were used for hundreds of years.;):

[RJs here]

PDuv ~ great story!! :thumb


And that other thread (which I recommended earlier) documents that I went down the *EXACT SAME ROAD* with CHRONIC and SEVERE sinus infections......


and *ALL* the MD ever knew was: more & more & more antibiotics!! :wacko

till finally I could not take 'em any more at all!!!


{anaphlexic shock!! ~ AND ~ heart pain & problems!!} :B:



I'm still not 100% ~ and highly doubt I ever will be until I get my GB {glorified body!} *BUT* ~ as I've said & said & said again -- I would choose the natural way of doing things ANY DAY over traditional "medicine".


One other note: I took allergy shots for 1.5 years -- end result: only made my allergies *WORSE*!! :B:

:frusty :frusty :frusty


I would not, would not, would NOT recommend them to ANYBODY!!!!


I likely wouldn't be in the shape I'm in today if it wasn't for all the years worth of antibiotics and allergy shots.....


:sigh


........{all made out of mold/fungus ~ of which I'm *EXTREMELY* ~ almost "deathly" allergic to!!!}

[PDuv]

RJ:

I bet there is a link with all of these antibiotic horror stories (I won't go into my personal views regarding doctors;): :tape2 ).

It's amazing how our stories match! I forgot to mention that the 'Icing on the cake', before I went to the nutritionist, was that I was taking a new sinus drug (fully tested! Doctor reccomended!:thumb ) and antibiotics at the same time (doctor's orders). The one thing they forgot to test for with this new drug was rapid heart beat/palpatations.....I was at work and had to go to the emergency room - my resting heart rate was 140!

The doctor said that they were not sure how this combination would affect patients...now they know! (thanks for the ride, doc!).

I could go on, but suffice it to say, I see my nutritionist before I see my doctor (who, by the way, is a Christian and is into natural therapies! - EDITED TO ADD: I should clarify that this is my doctor - I'm not sure if my nutritionist is a Christian).

[RJs here]

yes ~ incredibly, our "stories" do seem to line up, huh!?


Now, I do want to go on record that I'm not "against" ALL medicine.


However, I firmly believe a person should "use their heads" (with HS guidance) in finding out which route to take!!! Don't just go with the advice/opinion that the first dr. tells you ~ esp. not when you're having second thoughts yourself.


It's a little known *FACT* that pharmaceutical companies really DO pay the doctors off with FINE dinners, super LUXURIOUS vacations & the like..... all of which, IMO, should be nothing but *ILLEGAL*!!


:mad



BTW ~ y'all may (or ahem, "may not") heheh -- be interested to know -- that a couple months back I had posted on women's forum that I was having all kinds of "female problems" ~ ongoing bleeding & bloating {so much so -- felt like there were 4 watermelons in there!!} ongoing constipation.... :freaked ..... you name it!!!!

One dr. totally freaked -- wanting me to get all kinds of tests done.

Another dr. ~ much calmer, suggested it could be a number of things -- we EVEN TALKED about the possibility of a hysterectomy!! :freaked


Tests done..... nothing showed up on the ultrasound.


Guess what was causing all the symptoms???


*CORN*!!! ~ I'm highly allergic to corn by-products!!!!


Guess *WHO* diagnosed me??


It certainly wasn't any DOCTOR ~ I'll tell you that!!! :nono


It was thru' the HS' direction!!!!


Just like wheat -- all praise & glory goes to the Lord on this one!!!


*HE* is the ULTIMATE healer!! ~ and Counselor ~ is He not!!?


Had I not "listened" and followed the HS's leading...... then who knows how many cuts & surgeries & tests would have been sacrificed on me.....


{all at MY expense, of course!! :wof



Now ~ I'm not against ALL doctors -- one of my best "watching buds" on this board is an MD!! {hard to believe, huh!? That someone in the SCIENCE field is an actual LOOKING UP Christian!!..... meant that to be a joke ~ so don't y'all go beating up on me!! ;):


But think about it -- in the science field, Miss Dagmar can tell you -- Christians are not the biggest population...... {may be a bit different in the HEALTH field ~ but overall, in science, this is how it is....}


okay ~ this is "RJ's rambling" over & out for the night!! :laugh ;):

[antsinmypants]

Originally posted by RJs here
But did you read the ENTIRE thread, ants???

Yes I did RJ. And don't smash my head cos you think I didn't.

I have a past with Paganism- so I know what's out there and alot of what is masked as good.

Chemo doesn't work for everyone, but for many- it is the ONLY option that works.

I lost a good friend this year to recurring cancer- and the only thing that HAD Helped her was the chemo.

:mad

DJ, Irridology or however it is spelt, is rooted and most of it based out of paganism- Good that you were helped by it and good on the guy who was saved.


Yes- don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, but DO use great discernment and prayer.. and if you have doubts -- don't do it.

I worked with a massage therapist for horses and 95% of what she said and did was RIGHT ON.. the other 5% was all paganism rooted throughout what she did.. and I had to really distance myself from it..

Alot of the herbalism going through the churches is also rooted in paganism, and we need to go at it with a grain of salt and much research- just like how we go to our doctors and nutritionalists.

so :P: ;):

[GraceX3]

IMHO, there are good and back practioners in every field. Doctors, nutritionalists, natural healers, etc.

What about doctors who believe in and practice questionable suicides?

Pharmacy companies who willingly charge $20 for a pill in America and $8 for the same thing in Canada?

One such pharmacy is now sending out free evaluations to see if you are in danger of having alzheimers. If you do they tell you to take a pill that is extremely expensive? Alzheimers cannot be dianosed until death and my dh who works in hospice has assured me that this pill doesn't work anyay.

RJ I do have friends with the same "not in the doctor's book" problems. One even did go through with the hysterectomy, to cure massive headaches that were caused by allergies in the first place.

I have been in the medical field enough to see these "perks" that some doctors get. It's plain ol' sickening when you think about all of the people who are sacrificing food (very likely tithings too) to take them.

I have never had raiki done, never looked into a crystal, never had someone "read" me through my eyes, etc. Personally I wouldn't go near a "touch" healer.

Oh, now that people are finding that vitamins are working as well or better than prescription (over priced) pills, the vitamin industry is being attacked hard.

There is a bill in congress to make all vitamins undergo FDA approval. To make them safer? Not in my opinion. I'm not seeing that the FDA has done nearly enough to ensure prescrips are safe even now.

IMHO this is an attempt to get vitamin prices higher and/or off of the market so that the darn drug companies can regain their customer base.

Does it seem to anyone else that pharmacies are paying for 1/3 of all tv commercials?

Edited to add:

This post may of come across too harsh. I apologize if it offended anyone.

Ants, I'm sorry about your friend. My husband works in hospice and there doesn't appear to be any one way that works every time.

How could herbology be evil? Honest question. Maybe I don't know what herbology is.

I have the "prescription for natural healing" that I refer to often for all kinds of ailments. I'm pretty sure that Dr Balsch is a Christian too. Anyway, it tells you which vitamins, supplements and/or herbs do what, and the kinds of deficiencies certain ailments tend to have.

IMHO most things that people go to doctors for are symptoms. Drugs treat symptoms. I've found that vitamins can sometimes cure what caused the symptom.


YSIC,

Melanie

[antsinmypants]

Originally posted by GraceX3
IMHO, there are good and back practioners in every field. Doctors, nutritionalists, natural healers, etc.

What about doctors who believe in and practice questionable suicides?

How could herbology be evil? Honest question. Maybe I don't know what herbology is.

Melanie I'm in total agreement.

I won't go to an OB/GYN that I know practices abortions- and I won't go to a GP that does assisted suicides (Still illegal here).

I'm very careful who I see and what i do with the information they give me, and i research on my own as well


Alot of the herbology and those who are herbists are Pagans, Neo-Pagans and wiccans. This is their means to go "back to nature"- and alot of the research done on these things have been forefronted by them, and the $$ for research, and marketing is also through them.. Much of the herbology education is also done by them, to everyone.

You have to take what is said, weigh it with a grain of salt, do your research, pray about it, do more research-- and then make a balanced decision.

RJ- G-d also said in Genesis at the Tower of Babylon that whatever we put our minds forth to do, will not be impossible.
He also says later on in the Good Book, that There is nothing new under the sun.

You'd be suprised what the ancient Egyptians had for their Medicine, and how well their treatments were, and how much of what we know now, we are finding from their old books!!
But much of it is weighed, and has to be-- against - how much of it is pagan superstition, and actual medical truth.


Rachael and Leah used Mandrakes to help them get pregnant. It's a narcotic as well as - supposedly something to aid one getting pregnant.

It's not only illegal but very dangerous to use (Highly toxic).. I won't go suggesting people to use it now days.. :laugh

[RJs here]

I worry about sounding too harsh here as well, Melanie ~ simply b'c I feel SOOO Strongly about this!!


So ~ given that ~ :B: right back to ya' ants!! ..... ;): :laugh



You gals who want to take the poison to be healed ~ go ahead & take the poison!! No one's stopping you.


But some of us prefer the NATURAL way~ of consuming good, nutritious foods & vitamins ~ the route which God truly provided!!


:):


and Melanie ~ I cannot be thankful ENOUGH for the HS directing me to help me figure things out about my health!! :thumb


Soooo glad I didn't follow through ~ going to doctor after doctor -- to see THEIR theories of what was causing all the bloating, etc!!

So glad, so glad, so glad!!!! :dancing

[antsinmypants]

Originally posted by RJs here
You gals who want to take the poison to be healed ~ go ahead & take the poison!! No one's stopping you.


But some of us prefer the NATURAL way~ of consuming good, nutritious foods & vitamins ~ the route which God truly provided!!


RJ, the only meds I am taking/can take right now are Advil (Ibuprofen) and my hormonal shots..

I do prefer to use these, for they are the only "Poisons" that work.

You can't make a blanket statement on the pharmeceuticals.. I for one, know that my OB/GYN isn't prescribing me these things on the basis of kickbacks.. I know it's for my good- because I know what kind of Christian he is.


And I do consume good nutritious - natural foods. They're called veggies and fruits


:tape

[PDuv]

Gracex3:

IMHO this is an attempt to get vitamin prices higher and/or off of the market so that the darn drug companies can regain their customer base.

BINGO! You hit the nail on the head IMO!



Gracex3:

I have the "prescription for natural healing" that I refer to often for all kinds of ailments. I'm pretty sure that Dr Balsch is a Christian too. Anyway, it tells you which vitamins, supplements and/or herbs do what, and the kinds of deficiencies certain ailments tend to have.

I do to! Great book for referencing almost any type of ailment/disease. I have not taken an antibiotic since 1992 and have cured sinus infections, yeast infections (yes! men do get yeast infections - inside the muscles and bones), liver problems, high cholesterol, etc... with herbs and vitamin supplements (and especially a proper diet consisting mostly of fruits and vegetables, some meats, grains in their raw form and very little refined grains). Most recently, I staved off Diabetes (I was borderline) by changing my diet and taking a multivitamin developed to lower blood sugar called Hyporil.

Don't get me wrong, I still have treats and such, but in limited quantities. With diet, exercise, and supplements, I feel better than when I was 20 (I am now 43).

BTW - just a thought off the top of my head in reference to doctors - when did we determine that they are all knowing and the only source of healing?;): Doctors do serve a purpose, but they are not the 'end all solution' to our physical healing (and most Doctors have not taken more than 3 credit hours on Nutritional Medicine - I asked a practicing Doctor about this and it was confirmed).

God originally meant for our bodies to be perfect, but since they are not, we still have natural (God given) anitbodies inside of us that are meant to control diseases and such (natural antibiotics!). But, because of our diets (or lack thereof), we have pretty much turned off this natural defense mechanism.

You know your body better than anyone else, and if you really pay attention to what you put into it, you will know what's beneficial and what is causing damage (it's obvious to know that if you put garbage in, you get garbage out). Change does not happen overnight (it's taken me many years of research and trial and error to finally get what works for me), but once you begin changing your diet and begin exercising, wonderful things will begin to happen!

[RJs here]

Originally posted by antsinmypants


You can't make a blanket statement on the pharmeceuticals.. I for one, know that my OB/GYN isn't prescribing me these things on the basis of kickbacks.. I know it's for my good- because I know what kind of Christian he is.




first of all ~ I did not make a "blanket statement" ~ I said "some" doctors!!

And this is FACT that I am telling ~ not some wives' tales.


Bet the drug co's make the same offers to your doctor, too.


But what REALLY Gets my goat here ants -- is why do you seem to KNOW what a "Christian" YOUR Dr. is ~ and then presume that the rest of us who go to nutritional doctors who are only CLAIMING To be Christians???


:confused


I just don't get it!!!


But Melanie hit the nail on the head -- their are GOOD AND BAD in EVERY field!!


And when I said "poisons" ~ I was referring to the chemos & antibiotics that ppl choose to take. {with their doctors' advice, of course!!}


Goodness knows, I've kept Advil in business before, too--

but went to my DC yesterday to get rid of torturous headaches.


But then..... I suppose some of y'all are against DC's too!!


:freaked

:confused

[RJs here]

Originally posted by PDuv


You know your body better than anyone else, and if you really pay attention to what you put into it, you will know what's beneficial and what is causing damage (it's obvious to know that if you put garbage in, you get garbage out). Change does not happen overnight (it's taken me many years of research and trial and error to finally get what works for me), but once you begin changing your diet and begin exercising, wonderful things will begin to happen!



BINGO!!!


you know your body BETTER than your doctor.... better than your nutritionist, better than John Ankerberg.... heheh!!

[GraceX3]

Ants, I never even thought about my ob/gyn doing abortions :eek We tend to have enough abortion clinics around here to handle them. I don't think, that my doctor does...... Maybe I should make sure.

RJ, I'm rejoicing with ya :nod

I found very few things as frustrating as the medical field when they are clueless about something. :frusty

Lets see, for the hypoglycemia caused by the allergies I have enough prescrip. anithistimes to cure a neighborhood.

I can recite the speech "you're a working mother with a baby, no wonder you're tired".

I declined the offer for antidepressents.

I learned that treatments for diabetes are regularly accepted and given treatments for, while anything to do with low blood sugar is hardly ever even recognized.

My good ol family doctor gave me the lecture about gaining weight, until I told him exactly what I ate and not one part of it should of caused this weight gain. He never brought it up again and honestly admitted that this was not expertese. whew!!!

The doctor who treats my allergies with Bioset completely agrees with me when I say "I feel that God led me to you".

Since I've been learning about what vitamins do, I can almost identify the vitamin that the phram. industry stole for their "newest scrip". Such as.....

Pill for bloating and IBS, vitamin equivelent is a probiotic

Pill for achy joints, vitamin eqivelent is glucosomine, flax seed oil, etc.

Pill for high cholesterol, vitamin equivelent is CoQ10, garlic, etc.

Oh and this one gets me. The scrip industry is upset that people are finding that plain ol aspirin is helping people. It's cheap, easy to get and has been shown to work. Now the scrips have one they claim works better!

Anything for money in their pockets instead of affordable alternatives that don't line their pockets.

I'm sure glad that the "alternative therapies" are giving them a run for their money and using methods to keep people from a sad dependency on them. :thumb It's about time.

Still, there are also people who are using this for reasons Christians wouldn't want to be a part of. I don't take part in anything that messes with my mind for example.

God is also there, IMHO. Think of how many "non-believers" use the very popular Ezekial bread line. If nothing else, they have God's word on their bread label :thumb

YSIC,

Melanie

[RJs here]

Originally posted by GraceX3
Think of how many "non-believers" use the very popular Ezekial bread line. If nothing else, they have God's word on their bread label :thumb



hey!! I never thought of that!!!

Excellent observation!!


:thumb :thumb :thumb

[antsinmypants]

Originally posted by RJs here
first of all ~ I did not make a "blanket statement" ~ I said "some" doctors!!

And this is FACT that I am telling ~ not some wives' tales.

I didn't say that you didn't say "some doctors" i'm saying word to the wise- you (as in WE PEOPLE) can't make a blanket statement.



Bet the drug co's make the same offers to your doctor, too.

I know they do, he knows they do- and he says the same thing to me that he does to them- "I don't care about the offers, I am only using what I know works for each patient".

I know this to be true, because most all of the people who see him- are all friends, and or attend my synogogue or my mom's church.

I also have talked to him AT LENGTH each visit about my conditions, my moms and my sisters.. Doctors don't do that anymore. Same with our GP. You go for a 15 minute appointment and are there for 2 hours TALKING.


[qoute]But what REALLY Gets my goat here ants -- is why do you seem to KNOW what a "Christian" YOUR Dr. is ~ and then presume that the rest of us who go to nutritional doctors who are only CLAIMING To be Christians???[/quote]

I didn't say that- I SAID USE CAUTION. He may be a believer, but WATCH what he uses, because it might be of pagan origin.


Melanie hit the nail on the head -- their are GOOD AND BAD in EVERY field!!

I agree. But some of the good ppl are using bad methods as well.


And when I said "poisons" ~ I was referring to the chemos & antibiotics that ppl choose to take. {with their doctors' advice, of course!!}

Yes I agree on this, but some times these methods are the only ones that work.
Antibiotics? I'm allergic to all but one. Chemo? Sometimes the only thing that works.. It saved my friend's life more times than I can count!



Goodness knows, I've kept Advil in business before, too-- but went to my DC yesterday to get rid of torturous headaches.

What is a DC? :twitch

I don't take advil for headaches- but for my hormonal imbalance problems and for my arthritis. Nothing else works on it. NOTHING.


:tape :wave

[RJs here]

wasn't planning on coming back to this thread -- so I don't have to go visit my DC more than once this month ~ heheh!


funny ~ when a person keeps doing this: :frusty

it's bound to give ya' a headache!!

;):



Okay ~ I think we're now on level playing ground here, we understand each other better, and agree to some extent ~ in other areas, we'll just merely agree to disagree and leave it at that!


*handshake*

:kiss ~ Kiss!! Hug!!




a DC is a "doctor of chiropractic" <---- {that doesn't look right!

...... well, it's a CHIROPRACTOR


{"natural medicine" ~ GASP!! :twitch}




I suffered HORRIBLE, TORTUROUS {hellish!} pain with TMJ for the past few years ~ really thought there was no hope -- no longer cared if I lived or died -- pain was THAT BAD!!!


...... till I saw this guy --


Wow!!! Praises to God *AGAIN* for helping me to find a CHRISTIAN Chiropractor!!


:wave

[antsinmypants]

RJ:

Remember that accident I had end of February that has kicked up such a fuss with my body?


I went to a Chiropractic Doctor for almost 3 months. :P:

:laugh

I need too still, but they don't have enough $$, nor do I- and I definitely don't have the time to go myself.

My brother has a Pilates ball that I need to use to stretch my back, otherwise I need to stick to the stretching that they taught me... I still have the muscle relaxers- and I only need those when I sit for more than 12 hours... and have been doing lifting.

I refuse to take any pain medication unless it gets where it's really inflamed and I can't handle it. Same goes with the other illnesses. I self-treat.. as my mom has done with all of us kids since we were little.

Talk to you dudez later. :wave